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TV Show Child Profiles: One profile per disc or per side (Double sided discs) |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | If I ever came across this situation I'd be tempted to profile each side, as we already do for two-sided discs that contain different films.
This would cover cases where it's released in a single-sided version as well.
I know the rules talk about disc profiles, but to be honest the rules don't tell us to profile the 2 sides of a multi-film disc separately either (at least I couldn't find anything), but we do that.
If we class each episode as a mini-film, as some people do, then creating side-level profiles is perfectly acceptable.
The only exception I see is I remember a situation where Friends released double-sided discs: one side contained the transmitted episode, the other side extended versions. In that case I would consider them equal to the P&S/WS situation and profile disc-level accordingly. | | | | Last edited: by northbloke |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Perhaps you do that, north. I don't because of what it does to the disc count. If you look at my collection you will find that I handle Dual-sided film disc just as I would dual sided TV discs, with dividers for Side data.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Not hard, Ken, you would simply set it up and add the new Profile, you would have the new Disc set and i would have the old one, for example but both datasets would be in the Online.. I think the new Disc would have a different Disc ID from the Original release as well.
You also overlooked the disadvantage that the program will count FOUR discs and not TWO. It's great that you are making note of it otherwise, but that doesn't tell the program anything.  It will still see 4 Discs instead of 2-Discs. Other than that it's aviable solution and can be used in the database, it all depends on your view of the counting procedure. If I have a set with 4 discs and the online database has only 2 profiles, how will I be able to make my local database reflect what I own without a lot of additional work to split off the Side B data? Yes, I know that the program will see 4 discs instead of 2 -- but if that's what I own, wouldn't I WANT it to show that? As far as the new release having different disc IDs from the original release, that's not how I recall my own experience. If they do have different Disc IDs, then there's no problem. But I seem to recall that what was Disc 1 Side B in the original release became Disc 2 in the new one (or maybe 3, I don't recall exactly which). For some reason Dark Angel comes to mind. I know that the original release of it was a digipak while the re-release was in Slimpaks, but I what I don't remember is if they went from 2-sided to 1-sided when re-released. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,394 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Perhaps you do that, north. I don't because of what it does to the disc count. If you look at my collection you will find that I handle Dual-sided film disc just as I would dual sided TV discs, with dividers for Side data.
Skip One difference between TV stuff and Film stuff is that most of the data about a TV show is the same for all episodes in a "season" (US, "series" UK) -- like video and audio formats, etc. But they can be very different with Film discs. So I prefer to profile each side of a 2-sided film DVD based on the program so I can know which is stereo/mono or which is WS/FS/P&S. I don't see that problem with most TV sets. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Yes and you would be able to do that, Ken. This came up just recently... I think it was Miami Vice. When they went to a Complete Series, they changed the format of season of 1 which I believe was 2 Discs 4 sides originally. In the Complete Series the made it 4 Discs. Which changed the Disc count for the Complete series versus the total of the individual seasons. You would simply create the "new" chilld(actually grandchild) Profile and upload it. Then both sets would correctly represented, depending upon which oine yo owned.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 19 |
| | Posted: | | | | Wow, didn't expect this much response over this.  I should make one thing clear, is that side A and side B profiles exist in the online database, for the 1st season of Knight Rider, yet seasons 2,3,4 are done 1 per disc. Which brought up this whole question. Since once I was done with season 1 I was gonna tackle the other 3, and wasn't sure if I needed to add new child profiles for those 3 seasons. But given the results from this, I think I'll stick with my original plan and only worry about modifying the Side A profiles (note: only disc 1 has side A in the title field, the others don't), and the leave the side B's alone. | | | | Tom |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,745 |
| | Posted: | | | | If I have to take it out of the player to continue to watch it, it's another disc. It even has it's own seperate DiscId.
I've seen re-releases where dual-sided were changed to single-sided (twice the ammount of physical discs) yet they had the same DiscId.
I go with kdh1949's Child Profile Option 2.
When it comes to movies and we have one on each side, we also create 2 profiles with two different DiscIds.
And the episodes on one side aren't the same as on the other (I hope) | | | Karsten
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
I know the rules talk about disc profiles, but to be honest the rules don't tell us to profile the 2 sides of a multi-film disc separately either (at least I couldn't find anything), but we do that.
Actually, the Rules tell us to do exactly that: Quoting the Rules (under Box Sets): Quote:
The term "Box Set" is used to define any release that includes more than one film. The main examples are:
* Sets where each film is packaged individually, and held together in a package of some kind.
* Sets where each film is on a separate disc, but not individually packaged. This includes gatefold Digipaks and 2-Disc sets in normal DVD cases.
* Sets containing 2 films, one on each side of Dual-Sided DVD.
Create individual profiles for each movie in these Box Sets. Bolding by me. | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
And AA, as I have noted before that that method creates non-existent thus throwing offf your counts, if you aren't interested in such things then fine. But, for, example,it's a 4-Disc / 8 side set., NOT 8 Discs. Your idea would tell the program that it is 8 Discs.
Skip I am sorry, but this an arguement that doesn't hold water. Using your example, a 4-disc /8 side set, profiled at disc level, would have 5 profiles. 1 for the parent and 4 for the children. The program counts each profile as a 'disc' so the count is already off. To be clear, any time we create a 'box set' profile, with parent and child profiles, we artificially inflate the disc count by 1. If you own 100 'box sets', your count is already 'artificially inflated' by 100. Since the number is already off, saying you can't profile both sides of a disc because of it, doesn't make any sense...at least to me it doesn't. Especially when the Movie Box Set rules tell us to do exactly that. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
I know the rules talk about disc profiles, but to be honest the rules don't tell us to profile the 2 sides of a multi-film disc separately either (at least I couldn't find anything), but we do that. Snipped as I only wanted to answer this point... Actually, the rules do tell us to profile the 2 sides. One of the definitions of a 'Box Set' is a set containing 2 films, one on each side of Dual-Sided DVD. For these sets, we are told to, "Create individual profiles for each movie in these Box Sets." The only way to create an individual profile for each movie is to create an individual profile for each side. I don't see any other way of doing it. Edit: I see Hal beat me to it. Must remember to read the to the end of the thread before responding.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
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- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | I noticed those lines in the rules, but there is no specific mention of creating a profile for each side (it only says "each movie"). That together with the fact that the disc ID rules tell us: "Do not enter each side as a separate disc", no exceptions mentioned, I read it more as an inference as opposed to actually spelling it out. That's why I say that it's ok to do it for TV series too, following the same inference. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | When you combine:
Boxset = Sets containing 2 films, one on each side of Dual-Sided DVD
with
Create individual profiles for each movie in these Box Sets.
I don't see how there is any doubt about what is to be done.
A dual-sided disc with a movie on each side is to have a profile made for each movie. I suppose you could make manual profiles for each of them, but why would you do anything other than use the Disc ID for each side to create each individual profile? | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,911 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting lnxfreak123: Quote:
Wow, didn't expect this much response over this.
I should make one thing clear, is that side A and side B profiles exist in the online database, for the 1st season of Knight Rider, yet seasons 2,3,4 are done 1 per disc. Which brought up this whole question. Since once I was done with season 1 I was gonna tackle the other 3, and wasn't sure if I needed to add new child profiles for those 3 seasons. But given the results from this, I think I'll stick with my original plan and only worry about modifying the Side A profiles (note: only disc 1 has side A in the title field, the others don't), and the leave the side B's alone. That's because I only own Season 1 (glares over at skip and smiles)...  | | | | Signature banned: Reason out of date... |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
I noticed those lines in the rules, but there is no specific mention of creating a profile for each side (it only says "each movie"). That together with the fact that the disc ID rules tell us: "Do not enter each side as a separate disc", no exceptions mentioned, I read it more as an inference as opposed to actually spelling it out. That's why I say that it's ok to do it for TV series too, following the same inference. Here is the part you are missing, or at least the part I think you are missing. The 'disc ID' rule deals with normal, single feature, releases. Box Sets, releases with more than one feature, have their own set of rules. Those rules tell us to create an individual profile for each movie in the set. The only way to do that, for sets with a film on each side fo a dual-sided DVD, is to profile each side individually. Needless to say, I agree with Hal. There is not doubt, in my mind, as to how these are to be done. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 19 |
| | Posted: | | | | After reading all the new comments, and re-reading I think you've all persuaded me to profile both sides seperately. But I do want to say this is a prime candidate for a slight adjustment in the rules, yes there's the box set rules, but I initially didn't think it would apply in this case since most of that talks about multiple movies, wether it be seperate discs or double-sided, but it does in fact apply. But in the TV section it should be spelled out clear what should be done for these discs. I'm not sure how common double-sided discs are in TV sets, but I know in my collection I have 6 sets that are that way. | | | | Tom |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 19 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quote:
Quoting NewEnglander:
That's because I only own Season 1 (glares over at skip and smiles)... Heh, I couldn't stop at Season 1 for this show, I would be wanting more Turbo Boost, more Turbo Boost. | | | | Tom | | | | Last edited: by lnxfreak123 |
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