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Disc ID Descriptions for TV Sets
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There is currently a contribution up for voting where the contributor is removing "& Special Features" from the current Disc ID description which says "Episodes 22-23 & Special Features".


Is that description stated somewhere on the case?


I'm not sure on this one in particular, and I'm not at home to check, but on all of the Star Trek Sets, the covers include descriptions of the discs and they invariably include "Special Features" in the description of the last disc.  Plenty of others do the same.


Which wouldn't matter since disc description never came from the case... it is something the rules always told us what to put there.
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Which wouldn't matter since disc description never came from the case... it is something the rules always told us what to put there.


Not really. It says:

Quoting the Rules for TV Sets (which is the only Rule to apply):
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Label each of the discs containing episodes of the series. If there is a separate disc of extras with no episodes, use the standard "Bonus Materials" description.


Since Disc ID descriptions are specifically addressed in the TV Series section, the "standard rules" do not apply to TV Series.
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and it does not say take it from the box either... and says right there to use bonus material for separate discs of extras.
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and it does not say take it from the box either... and says right there to use bonus material for separate discs of extras.


But we are not talking about "a separate disc of extras with no episodes".

These are discs that have a combination of episodes and special features.

The rules do not specify where to get the description from at all.
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Exactly... and the introduction to the rules states when the TV section does not cover something to use the standard rules....

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These rules apply to all kinds of profiles, but there are two special cases where the rules need clarifications. Where you see the icons shown below, refer to the special instructions at the end of this document. These are titled Movie Box sets and TV Series on DVD.
Box sets containing more than one film
TV Series on DVD

Note: The standard rules do apply for these special cases; the sections clarify specific ways the rules apply to box sets and television series on DVD.


and the rules state not to use multiple descriptions....

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Add disc information for each disc using a DVD-ROM drive. Use the default descriptions wherever possible; do not change "Main Feature" to the film’s title. Use one description per disc. If a disc is double-sided, there is only one description for that disc.


So the rules still say one description per disc.
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If the DVD contains a film, we use "Main Feature". If it contains episodes of a TV shows, we use "Episodes X-Y". And if it's a disc with special features only, we use "Bonus Materials". Nothing more, nothing less, and best of all: practically no exceptions. IMHO, the rules have been set up the way they are to allow consistent handling of these disc descriptions throughout the various localities. Let's not try and make this into another "gray area" where everybody can just enter into the field whatever he likes...

I agree with this line of thinking to pattern TV disc descriptions after the way we do films. If the main feature is on the disc, that's the description we use in spite of any additional special features (audio commentary = bonus materials, anyone?).

It should be the same for TV discs. TV discs should either contain TV episodes or bonus materials. If we mix the 2 types in one description (and I believe a 2-episode listing is one description, sorry Hal...), then we're faced with modifying nearly every Main Feature and Episode description to try to squeeze in extra descriptions of bonus materials. Please, no.
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Okay, you've convinced me.  Shifted my vote to No.
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Exactly... and the introduction to the rules states when the TV section does not cover something to use the standard rules....


Sorry, but that is twisted logic.  The TV series Rules make an exception for discs that contain only special features otherwise the first sentence applies: "Label each of the discs containing episodes of the series".

The standard rules cannot be applied to TV sets.
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If the DVD contains a film, we use "Main Feature". If it contains episodes of a TV shows, we use "Episodes X-Y". And if it's a disc with special features only, we use "Bonus Materials". Nothing more, nothing less, and best of all: practically no exceptions. IMHO, the rules have been set up the way they are to allow consistent handling of these disc descriptions throughout the various localities. Let's not try and make this into another "gray area" where everybody can just enter into the field whatever he likes...

I agree with this line of thinking to pattern TV disc descriptions after the way we do films. If the main feature is on the disc, that's the description we use in spite of any additional special features (audio commentary = bonus materials, anyone?).

It should be the same for TV discs. TV discs should either contain TV episodes or bonus materials. If we mix the 2 types in one description (and I believe a 2-episode listing is one description, sorry Hal...), then we're faced with modifying nearly every Main Feature and Episode description to try to squeeze in extra descriptions of bonus materials. Please, no.


Sorry, but the "standard rules" apply to films, and cover this situation, while the TV Series rules cover TV series and they are different and do not specify "one description".
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I completely disagree... the TV Series rules do not say what to do about more then one description per disc.. since it does not say the rule says standard rules apply for anything not covered... so that means there can not be more then 1 description per disc.
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I completely disagree... the TV Series rules do not say what to do about more then one description per disc.. since it does not say the rule says standard rules apply for anything not covered... so that means there can not be more then 1 description per disc.


Sorry, but the TV Series rule says "Label each of the discs containing episodes of the series".  It says nothing about how to label them.. it is left wide open.

It then goes on to say, "If there is a separate disc of extras with no episodes, use the standard "Bonus Materials" description."

If the second sentence does not apply, as it does not in this case, the only thing that does apply is the first sentence.

That is what the Rule actually says, whether you disagree with it or not.

You cannot argue that the TV Sets do not address descriptions for  Disc IDs.  It does, therefore, you cannot fall back on the "Standard rules".  You may not like the vagueness of how they are addressed, but they are addressed.
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Sorry, but the "standard rules" apply to films, and cover this situation, while the TV Series rules cover TV series and they are different and do not specify "one description".


Label each of the discs containing episodes of the series. = Episode(s) #(-#)

If there is a separate disc of extras with no episodes, use the standard "Bonus Materials" description. = Bonus Materials (separate disc only)

I don't see anything that arrives at a combined description of Episode(s) #(-#)/Bonus Materials in that rule. 
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Sorry, but the "standard rules" apply to films, and cover this situation, while the TV Series rules cover TV series and they are different and do not specify "one description".


Label each of the discs containing episodes of the series. = Episode(s) #(-#)

If there is a separate disc of extras with no episodes, use the standard "Bonus Materials" description. = Bonus Materials (separate disc only)

I don't see anything that arrives at a combined description of Episode(s) #(-#)/Bonus Materials in that rule. 


That is exactly how I read it as well.
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Sorry, but the TV Series rule says "Label each of the discs containing episodes of the series".  It says nothing about how to label them.. it is left wide open.

If we're allowed to interpret the label direction as wide open, then "gold shiny disc 1" and "another disc similar to the first" are all valid descriptions. Surely we know that labeling a disc containing episodes means to list the episodes? 
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agreed
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Sorry, but the "standard rules" apply to films, and cover this situation, while the TV Series rules cover TV series and they are different and do not specify "one description".


Label each of the discs containing episodes of the series. = Episode(s) #(-#)

If there is a separate disc of extras with no episodes, use the standard "Bonus Materials" description. = Bonus Materials (separate disc only)

I don't see anything that arrives at a combined description of Episode(s) #(-#)/Bonus Materials in that rule. 


The complete Rule word for word is:

Quoting Rules:
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Label each of the discs containing episodes of the series. If there is a separate disc of extras with no episodes, use the standard "Bonus Materials" description.


Where did you get the "Episode(s) #(-#)" part from?
Hal
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