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| Registered: August 22, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 1,807 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Leiterfluid: Quote:
Just to stir the pot, the crew data is supposed to include main unit only. Members of a restoration team might be considered a separate post-production unit. I see your point, but I think that such a conclusion would be a bit far stretched. For starters, the Rules are not really clear on the matter of units: they only say do not include Unit Directors and Unit Photographers, but don't say anything on all the rest. I am not saying that we need to add all unit crews, but I am just saying that there is not a clear rule that stops from adding them, except for unit directors and photographers. More importantly, I think that the Restoration crew is something different than just some unit crew. Thanks to the Restoration we get sort of a new version of the movie, and as Martin said some DVDs are specifically made because of these restorations. | | | | -- Enry |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,685 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Martin_Zuidervliet: Quote:
It might, but as some DVDs specifically are made because of these restorations we also could consider them as an important part of the crew. Has importance ever overridden the rules? There are lots of important crew members that are never credited...  | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
Gunnar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Where have you been, Gunnar. Dividers have been used to separate restoration crew data for quite awhile now. But that is not what this about, this is about inventing a non-existent tile for someone, which we can't do.
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: May 29, 2007 |  Posts: 189 |
| | Posted: | | | | C'mon... how about we propose to Ken the following: Include ALL crew with open credits!  Haha - just kidding.  I am in agreement that restoration crew data (should they fit in any of our pre-set categories) should be included with dividers. Maybe a Feature Request to include special "restoration crew" crew categories so that people like Haver would be included??? | | | Peter
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| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,685 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Where have you been, Gunnar. Dividers have been used to separate restoration crew data for quite awhile now. Martin answered LeiterFluids post that suggested that restoration crew might be considered a separate unit (and therefore shouldn't be used in Profiler). Martins answer was that it might be, but that he thought it should be entered because they were "an important part of the crew". This prompted my comment, and if you had actually read what was commented maybe you wouldn't have to write unnecessary posts like that...  | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
Gunnar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | OTOH, I considered your post unnecessary. Potentially leading only to further confusion. As was your response. <shrugs> Which was I replied to you as I did.
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Excellent idea. IF we can ever figure out a way to control it.<ducking>
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Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,685 |
| | Posted: | | | | Skip,
Maybe if I spell it out?
Martins reply implied that even if restoration crew was considered unit crew, and thus should be kept excluded, he thought it should be included because it was important.
Now, I'm not saying that restoration crew is to be considered unit crew. But if it was then it shouldn't be included just because it was important. The rules tell us what to include, important doesn't override that.
In light of that, your "Where have you been" comment was really uncalled for. | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
Gunnar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 2,692 |
| | Posted: | | | | A good first step would be to have an indicator on the profile which said that Restoration work had been done?
This would cover all my DR WHo DVDs and various special editions (like Star Wars). | | | | Paul |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 2,366 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting tweeter: Quote:
Quoting Martin_Zuidervliet:
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It might, but as some DVDs specifically are made because of these restorations we also could consider them as an important part of the crew.
I think a divider would highlight the restoration crew's importance more than mixing them with the original crew. The divider would show their importance by distinguishing them. I did not meant not to use a divider, I just meant that we should include them (with a divider). | | | Martin Zuidervliet
DVD Profiler Nederlands | | | | Last edited: by Daddy DVD |
| | Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | This has come up again, so I'm bringing it up. It strikes me this is, in effect, a unit crew and thus shouldn't be credited. Directing a restoration of a film isn't even vaguely the same thing as directly a film and it seems silly to list it as such. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote:
This has come up again, so I'm bringing it up. It strikes me this is, in effect, a unit crew and thus shouldn't be credited. Directing a restoration of a film isn't even vaguely the same thing as directly a film and it seems silly to list it as such. This is not 'unit crew' as they did not work on the actual film. These people restored the print for the DVD transfer...speaking in general terms here as I don't know what film you are talking about. While tracking this crew may seem silly to you, it isn't silly to everyone. I think tracking sound crew is silly. I can't think of a single time I have ever thought to myself, "Man...that was some good sound mixing. I wonder what other films that guy worked on." Director...yes, producer...yes, writer...yes, but sound sound re-recording mixer? Not a chance in hades. My point? 'Silly' is in the eye of the beholder. Not that it matters as the cows have already left the barn. It's a little late to be trying to close the barn door.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting Ace_of_Sevens:
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This has come up again, so I'm bringing it up. It strikes me this is, in effect, a unit crew and thus shouldn't be credited. Directing a restoration of a film isn't even vaguely the same thing as directly a film and it seems silly to list it as such.
This is not 'unit crew' as they did not work on the actual film. These people restored the print for the DVD transfer...speaking in general terms here as I don't know what film you are talking about. While tracking this crew may seem silly to you, it isn't silly to everyone. I think tracking sound crew is silly. I can't think of a single time I have ever thought to myself, "Man...that was some good sound mixing. I wonder what other films that guy worked on." Director...yes, producer...yes, writer...yes, but sound sound re-recording mixer? Not a chance in hades.
My point? 'Silly' is in the eye of the beholder. Not that it matters as the cows have already left the barn. It's a little late to be trying to close the barn door. I know what profile he's talking about and I have the same hangup. I get a bunch of the restoration credits, producer, sound mixer...but director? Ummm...the performances being displayed are still the same ones directed by the original director, nothing here has changed. The guy is a project lead. All well and good, but hardly a director. More interestingly, in this particular case the profile crew change is to add the restoration director credit. The rest of the applicable restoration crew already exists in the profile and has been accepted for years now. Now years later somebody is coming along and saying, "oops, you missed one guys." Ummm, no we didn't, but thanks anyway. | | | | Last edited: by mdnitoil |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,494 |
| | Posted: | | | | The film is My Fair Lady .., and Since this is DVD Profiler and not Movie Profiler.. we should have every right to add the Restoration directors ( with a separator) to the crew section as it is also in the DVD credit roll.. I'm sure when the film was re released to the theatres back in 1994.. and not the 1964 release, the 1994 film had the same credit roll.. If it wasn't for the restoration that Robert A. Harris and James C. Katz performed on this film,, there wouldn't be the film today as we know it,, as it was reported in 1990 this film was very close to disintegration.. Seems ironic that last week I was arguing the fact the original film's aspect ratio should be recorded in Invelos for its counterbalance of the film or movie itself , and all here argued that it is the DVD aspect ratio that must be adhered to .., then, when I go that route with DVD specification again, (this time the actual DVD credits and its credit roll, to that film or rerelease ) it gets argued that it should only be to the original film from yesteryear .. | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
Terry | | | | Last edited: by widescreenforever |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | More importantly, Ace. You aren't following the data, you are creating your interpretation of the data. We do allow the Restoration data, we don't do definitions because it would become nightmarish and so complex that very few of us would be able to enter data. Enter the data if its this way, don't enter if it's this other way or that way or whatever. The data says Restoration Crew - Director, so be it. Roibert Harris is one of the foremost if not the best film restorers in Hollywood, while i might agree that it might have been nice had they called him something else, that would also probably have put us into a position where we could not capture the data, short of going to totally open crew data...which i still think is the way to go. Simply because Open credits will eliminate your type of comments and the resulting arguments, you would simply list whatever data you wanted as you see it On Screen, we would not have to deal with the vague job categories and definitions WSIWYT. BUT that also carries with it its own share of horrors.
The Role is Director and we catalog Director, now interpretations are certainly possible, but that becomes your local problem, you can refuse the updated data, or accept it, or accept it and then eliminate the Restoration Crew or Director...your choice, YOUR interpretation. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting mdnitoil: Quote:
I know what profile he's talking about and I have the same hangup. I get a bunch of the restoration credits, producer, sound mixer...but director? Ummm...the performances being displayed are still the same ones directed by the original director, nothing here has changed. The guy is a project lead. All well and good, but hardly a director.
More interestingly, in this particular case the profile crew change is to add the restoration director credit. The rest of the applicable restoration crew already exists in the profile and has been accepted for years now. Now years later somebody is coming along and saying, "oops, you missed one guys." Ummm, no we didn't, but thanks anyway. Ah, I see what you are saying. This guy is the department head, like 'Director of Human Resources', not an actual film director. I took Ace's post as a smack at all restoration crew, not this single credit, so my reply was written accordingly. In the case of the director credit, yea, I can see how he probably shouldn't be entered. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,494 |
| | Posted: | | | | But you forgot that there is a divider in place and the divider says restoration Crew and the head of the restoration crew- the top banana himself- Robert Harris.. Who individually directed all segments of the films element to be put together a certain way.. So he was kind of a director ..' Of the Restoration" . | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
Terry | | | | Last edited: by widescreenforever |
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