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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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Obviously, lopek you only hang around to be insulting and don't bother to read what is said around here.

"Ken Cole
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Posted: June 13, 2007 6:58 PM
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Contributions, especially those adding cast and crew, must include the source of the data in the contribution notes.  We will be taking a harder line on this requirement going forward, so please include the source when you contribute.


Ken Cole
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Posted: June 14, 2007 6:58 AM
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Quoting Repter:

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        I don't think so you are using imdb as a source, what is not allowed due to copyright issues?



    That would be plain ridiculous... it's not like you actually copied it, especially in the case of merely a title. Maybe we should have some code, like : got the info from BDMI .


This is not a wink wink, nudge nudge "rule".  We do not want IMDB data, or data from any third party database, entered into DVD Profiler.  The reason for this is that they have invested much time and money (as we have) into generating and maintaining their database.  Copying their database is theft.  If that weren't enough reason, third party databases routinely spike their data with "poison" data - false data designed to identify and prove cases of theft.

The requirement for naming the source is not designed to allow Invelos plausible deniability.  If the submitted data came from the IMDB or another source, we need to know that so we may properly decline the submission.  Falsely stating the source of data in an attempt to bypass this will result in an immediate and permanent ban from contributing.

Ken Cole
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Posted: June 14, 2007 9:50 AM
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Copying cast and crew entries from another entries is permissable.  Just list that as your source.  You should try to verify that the version of the film is the same before the copy, and be sure to check the contribution notes of the source profile.

I think KEN's intent is very clear..Oh i forgot in order to mak eYOU happy he must do more than make a publis statement....RIGHT!

Skip
ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Outta here

Billy Video
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I took the off-topic uncredited issue to a more appropriate thread in the Rules Committee forum.
...James

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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorLopek
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Not sure what your post has to do with mine Skip.... did you forget to read it before responding?? I never mentioned IMDb.   
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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The whole thing in contetx also talks about Documentation either explicitly or implicitly.

Skip
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Outta here

Billy Video
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The whole thing in contetx also talks about Documentation either explicitly or implicitly.

Skip

I remain  as to the relevance of this... but don't care to delve any further into the weird world that you live it. I'll remain in reality thanks! 
Andy

"Credited as" Names Database
DVD Profiler Unlimited Registrantnuoyaxin
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Not sure what your post has to do with mine Skip....

So you were able to read it? I wasn't even able to read it, it is very confusing with the mentioning of Ken's registration dates and all...
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somehow this topic has gotten off-topic -- yet again --- with people's personal jabs at each other....

I am not sure why this always seems to happen here but alas, let me remind you all the topic was using voting NO because a user followed the screen credits instead of using credited as and allowing the name that was wrongly inserted into the old profile --- am I hitting a refresh in your minds yet???

maybe Ken or Gerri should create a specific forum for those who want to flame other users so that you all can keep your personal beefs out of the other topics... just a thought!!! 
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorBehemot
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Just to get this thread back on track:

I've seen lots of (otherwise excellent) contributions where the Common Name function is used with no source given to justify the use of common name, and where the common name used in the contribution is the same as the IMDB main name.

IMDB sometimes uses a main name for an actor even though this actor is seldom (or ever) credited like this. I've come across contributions where a common name X was taken from IMDB for an actor credited as Y, even though it said "credited as Y" after ALL the actor's credits on IMDB. Choosing X as the DVDProfiler common name then enters this never-used credit into DVDProfiler.

Choosing and propagating an incorrect common name in the Profiler database will make it look like the actor in question is indeed commonly credited as X - and not as Y, which is how he is REALLY credited.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorhayley taylor
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maybe Ken or Gerri should create a specific forum for those who want to flame other users so that you all can keep your personal beefs out of the other topics... just a thought!!! 


Sounds like a feature request to me, I'd second it 
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maybe Ken or Gerri should create a specific forum for those who want to flame other users so that you all can keep your personal beefs out of the other topics... just a thought!!! 


Sounds like a feature request to me, I'd second it 



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DVD Profiler Unlimited Registrantnuoyaxin
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If you want to play in the same sandbox as the big kids, expect to get some bumps and bruises.  This isn't Hillary's infamous Village...

"Kids" often being the operative word.
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Just to get this thread back on track:

I've seen lots of (otherwise excellent) contributions where the Common Name function is used with no source given to justify the use of common name, and where the common name used in the contribution is the same as the IMDB main name.

IMDB sometimes uses a main name for an actor even though this actor is seldom (or ever) credited like this. I've come across contributions where a common name X was taken from IMDB for an actor credited as Y, even though it said "credited as Y" after ALL the actor's credits on IMDB. Choosing X as the DVDProfiler common name then enters this never-used credit into DVDProfiler.

Choosing and propagating an incorrect common name in the Profiler database will make it look like the actor in question is indeed commonly credited as X - and not as Y, which is how he is REALLY credited.


This is correct the IMDB name may not have anything to do with how the actor is credited in their film credits.  It is just a common name used by their data base system.  Many times what is actually on the screen credits is the commonly credited name.

However Ken did say his system would look at the "credited as" for help determining the common name.  So we will probably end up with a number of profiles being updated with new common names or removing the common names that existed.
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