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The second and IMO deciding factor for Ken has been name linking. Role names, titles, and overviews don't link in such a way.

Just another reason why the existing linking system needs to be replaced!

I don't have a solution, Skip, because it's a complex problem with many aspects to consider: ease of use, consistency, correct data, international movies, etc. I've been giving it a lot of thought and it's very difficult to find a ruling that is clear, concise and deals with all issues. So that is why I haven't found a solution yet but, unlike you, I also don't try to sabotage the discussion by making backhanded remarks and constantly hitting the    smiley. I try to read all opinions, understand all views and think it over. Perhaps I might come up with a solution or perhaps not (or another user will), but I certainly don't wish to stifle the discussion just because I don't want a change or am not confronted with the problem.

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The only accent in the database I have a problem with, is the "^" in Japanese names. This is used, mainly on sites like imdb, for western pronunciation purposes. "^"  does not exist in Japanese. It's not even as easily identifiable as the accent grave, accute, circumflex, or umlaut.  I'm trying to remove them, from the database, but it's a lot of work.

I just stumbled upon this. IMDB has nothing to do with this
^ is used to differentiate short vowels (o, u, i) from long vowels (oo, uu, ii, etc) when using the romanization method called James-Hepburn. So it is absolutely correct in that it is a valid romanization method for all Japanese credits. Personally, I prefer using the waapuro method as it more accurately represents the original Japanese writing, but I do not remove the James-Hepburn romanizations because as long as there is no romanization standard for DVDP, I have no right to do so. In fact, if you try to remove those I would vote against it in a heart beat as you have not solid grounds or right to remove a correct romanization.

You've dragged this into the conversation even though it is not related, and jumped to a conclusion without have the proper background information. I'd be happy to discuss Japanese romanizations further in a thread dedicated to it. In fact, I think the brief analysis I wrote over a year ago explains where the ^ comes from in romanizations:
http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=378021

If you wish to remove all James-Hepburn romanizations, then before doing so I would suggest you take your own advice and first inform yourself and find proper documentation before doing so. Removal of correct data is against the rules.

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I don't have a solution, Skip, because it's a complex problem with many aspects to consider: ease of use, consistency, correct data, international movies, etc. I've been giving it a lot of thought and it's very difficult to find a ruling that is clear, concise and deals with all issues. So that is why I haven't found a solution yet but, unlike you, I also don't try to sabotage the discussion by making backhanded remarks and constantly hitting the    smiley. I try to read all opinions, understand all views and think it over. Perhaps I might come up with a solution or perhaps not (or another user will), but I certainly don't wish to stifle the discussion just because I don't want a change or am not confronted with the problem.

Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:

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The only accent in the database I have a problem with, is the "^" in Japanese names. This is used, mainly on sites like imdb, for western pronunciation purposes. "^"  does not exist in Japanese. It's not even as easily identifiable as the accent grave, accute, circumflex, or umlaut.  I'm trying to remove them, from the database, but it's a lot of work.

I just stumbled upon this. IMDB has nothing to do with this
^ is used to differentiate short vowels (o, u, i) from long vowels (oo, uu, ii, etc) when using the romanization method called James-Hepburn. So it is absolutely correct in that it is a valid romanization method for all Japanese credits. Personally, I prefer using the waapuro method as it more accurately represents the original Japanese writing, but I do not remove the James-Hepburn romanizations because as long as there is no romanization standard for DVDP, I have no right to do so. In fact, if you try to remove those I would vote against it in a heart beat as you have not solid grounds or right to remove a correct romanization.

You've dragged this into the conversation even though it is not related, and jumped to a conclusion without have the proper background information. I'd be happy to discuss Japanese romanizations further in a thread dedicated to it. In fact, I think the brief analysis I wrote over a year ago explains where the ^ comes from in romanizations:
http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=378021

If you wish to remove all James-Hepburn romanizations, then before doing so I would suggest you take your own advice and first inform yourself and find proper documentation before doing so. Removal of correct data is against the rules.

Ah so you don't have a solution because its too complex for you. That;s fuine but I do have a solution and yet you and have for a long time and yet you feel that you have the answer and can confront me...why exactly. Now I have to be a little sarcastic so forgive W.C. said. " Go away, boy, ya bother me". Go come up with a solution and get back to me, not before...please. It's offensive.

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I don't have a solution, Skip, because it's a complex problem with many aspects to consider: ease of use, consistency, correct data, international movies, etc. I've been giving it a lot of thought and it's very difficult to find a ruling that is clear, concise and deals with all issues. So that is why I haven't found a solution yet but, unlike you, I also don't try to sabotage the discussion by making backhanded remarks and constantly hitting the    smiley. I try to read all opinions, understand all views and think it over. Perhaps I might come up with a solution or perhaps not (or another user will), but I certainly don't wish to stifle the discussion just because I don't want a change or am not confronted with the problem.

Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:

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The only accent in the database I have a problem with, is the "^" in Japanese names. This is used, mainly on sites like imdb, for western pronunciation purposes. "^"  does not exist in Japanese. It's not even as easily identifiable as the accent grave, accute, circumflex, or umlaut.  I'm trying to remove them, from the database, but it's a lot of work.

I just stumbled upon this. IMDB has nothing to do with this
^ is used to differentiate short vowels (o, u, i) from long vowels (oo, uu, ii, etc) when using the romanization method called James-Hepburn. So it is absolutely correct in that it is a valid romanization method for all Japanese credits. Personally, I prefer using the waapuro method as it more accurately represents the original Japanese writing, but I do not remove the James-Hepburn romanizations because as long as there is no romanization standard for DVDP, I have no right to do so. In fact, if you try to remove those I would vote against it in a heart beat as you have not solid grounds or right to remove a correct romanization.

You've dragged this into the conversation even though it is not related, and jumped to a conclusion without have the proper background information. I'd be happy to discuss Japanese romanizations further in a thread dedicated to it. In fact, I think the brief analysis I wrote over a year ago explains where the ^ comes from in romanizations:
http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=378021

If you wish to remove all James-Hepburn romanizations, then before doing so I would suggest you take your own advice and first inform yourself and find proper documentation before doing so. Removal of correct data is against the rules.

BTW you will have to point me at this, I have certainly not seid in the last few days. i don't recall ever saying it and it doesn't even sound like something I would say. I need to see the context

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Ah so you don't have a solution because its too complex for you. That;s fuine but I do have a solution and yet you and have for a long time and yet you feel that you have the answer and can confront me...why exactly. Now I have to be a little sarcastic so forgive W.C. said. " Go away, boy, ya bother me". Go come up with a solution and get back to me, not before...please. It's offensive.

The problem with your solution, if it is the one I am thinking of, is that it flies in the face of the rules and Ken's clarifications.  Since it does, it is not really a solution, or am I missing something here? 

Just so we are clear, the solution I am thinking of is "François Truffaut [Francois Truffaut]".

It also does not address role names or Overviews (in all caps).

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Ah so you don't have a solution because its too complex for you. That;s fuine but I do have a solution and yet you and have for a long time and yet you feel that you have the answer and can confront me...why exactly. Now I have to be a little sarcastic so forgive W.C. said. " Go away, boy, ya bother me". Go come up with a solution and get back to me, not before...please. It's offensive.

The problem with your solution, if it is the one I am thinking of, is that it flies in the face of the rules and Ken's clarifications.  Since it does, it is not really a solution, or am I missing something here? 

Just so we are clear, the solution I am thinking of is "François Truffaut [Francois Truffaut]".

Indeed and I believe it presents no obstacles that cannot be dealt with. The problem being we can't see what people think the issues might  be and how to resolve them when they are not discuyssed. now, mind you, my friend I am not surprised that they are not discussed it is after all an idea i put forth. And as I said it is merely an attempt to satisfy users like Hal, taro, and surfeur, without either damaging the integrity of the On Screen data or throwing away five years of work. If we want to discuss it and see what the issues mgiht be and how best to overcome them...let's go...I am ready.

Skip, you are trying my patience very, very much:

1. I quote you directly from this very thread.:
http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=468923&PageNum=11
I see now that you didn't say it but copy-pasted it from another user. So my apologies for missing that. I retract what I said.

2. You didn't offer any solution to the issue posted by Yves as well, only the usual rant which actually does not solve the issue at hand.

3. I sincerely hope your solution for Asian names never gets signed off by Ken as it as based on a total lack of understand of the issue at hand. I find it rather striking that you seem so convinced you have the perfect solution to the problem when a Japanologist (me) and a Japanese native (my wife) think it does not address the issue at all and in fact makes matters worse.

And finally, no, I will not go away because you demand it. I find it very offensive you even wrote that.

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Kathy what is hard about this for you to understand, it insanely simple, it is so easy I can only question motives.

Like i said I camne up with a way for Yves to achieve what he wants AND still retain the integrity of the data, it only needs Ken;s approval. That's not hard.

Motives? What are you talking about?

I see the community that sees a problem and wants to take a closer look at it. Most are open and willing to see if there can be a way to improve this database.

And, since you have specifically singled me out and question not only my intellect but my motives, look in the mirror:

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Ah so you don't have a solution because its too complex for you. That;s fuine but I do have a solution and yet you and have for a long time and yet you feel that you have the answer and can confront me...why exactly. Now I have to be a little sarcastic so forgive W.C. said. " Go away, boy, ya bother me". Go come up with a solution and get back to me, not before...please. It's offensive.

Please outline exactly what your solution is. I have yet to see it. This is not the first time that someone has requested this information from you. I would request that you not include any insults or derogatory remarks, it is not an effective tool in the communication process.

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Like i said I camne up with a way for Yves to achieve what he wants AND still retain the integrity of the data, it only needs Ken;s approval. That's not hard.

And that solution is?

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Trying to figure this one out, sounds wishy washy

Please do not dismiss other ideas - it discourages the brainstorming process. 

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I see his problem or what he believes it to be, that is why I have tried to come up with an answer to it for him and publicly repeated it many times. have you tried to come up with a solution, it you have I haven't seen it. Hal's answer is the same as Yves' throw out 5 years worth of work, ignore the film credits and just put in whatever you THINK it should be, this will have far-reaching effects far beyond poor little Emperor Yves who probably has no clothes. Like I said I have done more than you or anyone else for that matter because i have actually cretaed a solution that does NOT throw away 5 years of work, retains the integrity of the data AND allows users like Yves to enter his French data, you to enter your Asian data and other people to be able to enter theuir data as well. What solution have you suggested.
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What have you done Taro, have you come up with an answer that meets the criteria I have outline? Hmmmm nope nothing

What have you done Skip, have you come up with an answer? Please show it to the community.

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Buzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz, my imitation of a droning noise.

Please do not dismiss other ideas - it discourages the brainstorming process. 

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I'll make you a deal, Hal. Get Ken to change the name of the program to LanguageProfiler and i'll shut up. But as long as this DVDProfiler then the credits are the issue not the spelling, it is all about the DATA. Not your interpreted data  So let's see if you can get Ken to change the name.

Is this your solution to the problem we are talking about?

Please don't question the motives of others without looking at yourself first.