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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I'll make you a deal, Hal. Get Ken to change the name of the program to LanguageProfiler and i'll shut up. But as long as this DVDProfiler then the credits are the issue not the spelling, it is all about the DATA. Not your interpreted data  So let's see if you can get Ken to change the name. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:
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I am a spelling champion, do want to know how Garçon would spelled in competition. Written it would be it would be Garçon but spelled it competition would be G-A-R-C-O-N
Are there spelling bees in France? But French people usually spell it G-majuscule-A-R-C-cédille-O-N. Thanks, RHo. I was going to ask Yves how he would verbalize the spelling of Garçon. I thought that I remembered that the diacritic is verbalized during spelling, but it's been way too long since I took French in school. | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
I'll make you a deal, Hal. Get Ken to change the name of the program to LanguageProfiler and i'll shut up. But as long as this DVDProfiler then the credits are the issue not the spelling, it is all about the DATA. Not your interpreted data So let's see if you can get Ken to change the name. Irrelevant! | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Quoting hal9g:
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Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:
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Ken has said that you are wrong, Ok. How many times must that be said, Ken has also said REPEATEDLY that we are not after CORRECT names, That is not hard to understand either.
We are not talking about what Ken has said is right. We're talking about whether that decision is correct or not.
Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:
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Most of the time I find your behavior to be rather boorish at best.
And here we go once again with the name-calling. You simply cannot tolerate someone disagreeing with you without reverting to this? So sad.
And I say loudly hal, IT IS CORRECT. And I say it loudly skip, IT IS INCORRECT. | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: February 23, 2009 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,580 |
| | Posted: | | | | I'm sorry Skip but from where I'm sitting, you're the one with the narrow view. The reason Yves keeps bringing this up is because he obviously thinks there's a genuine issue here and pulling up smoke screens like you do (by stating he has an agenda, by stating is has been settled long ago, etc) isn't going to help the issue at hand. You have a narrow view because you are unable to put yourself in the shoes of Yves and his collection.
To give an example: I personally didn't think there was a problem regarding Ratings. Obviously, other users did and even though there was an existing ruling, Ken made a modification to help those users. At that time, I could have done the exact same thing you are doing now and post, double-post and triple-post by saying they had an agenda and it had been settled long ago. Instead, I tried to see this from their point of view, that of a parent who has children that use DVDP and I could understand it was an issue that needed resolving.
Try opening your view so you can see issues that others are seeing. Try putting yourself in their shoes and perhaps you might be more sympathetic to their plight and even be able to come up with the golden solution, who knows?
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Buzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz, my imitation of a droning noise. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Quoting hal9g:
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When we convert the ACTUAL ONSCREEN DATA from all caps to mixed case, the result is we no longer have the ON SCREEN DATA.
Ken has said that you are wrong, Ok. No, his never stated this. He has always confirmed that we have to use some kind of conversion. And the conversion to be used is language specific for titles and overviews as stated in the rules. Unfortunately he has given a non-language specific conversion to be used for person's names. But there is a thread in the rules committee forum which tries to change that. But I will not hold my breath.  |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
Quoting TheMadMartian:
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As I said earlier, this is about spelling and grammar, not capitalization.
I can easily agree with that. But when rules say "For non-English titles, use capitalization rules common to the language of the title. “Tout va bien” is correctly capitalized. “Tout Va Bien” is not.", we can understand that correct spelling have also to be followed (in fact I never saw any rule asking to introduce spelling mistakes). I would agree with you had Ken not made his clarification. Granted, it was during a discussion about names, but it doesn't make much sense for him to require a 1 to 1 conversion for names, and nothing else. I wish Ken hadn't made his clarification because, like Hal, I prefer to enter things correctly whenever possible. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Taro: I see his problem or what he believes it to be, that is why I have tried to come up with an answer to it for him and publicly repeated it many times. have you tried to come up with a solution, it you have I haven't seen it. Hal's answer is the same as Yves' throw out 5 years worth of work, ignore the film credits and just put in whatever you THINK it should be, this will have far-reaching effects far beyond poor little Emperor Yves who probably has no clothes. Like I said I have done more than you or anyone else for that matter because i have actually cretaed a solution that does NOT throw away 5 years of work, retains the integrity of the data AND allows users like Yves to enter his French data, you to enter your Asian data and other people to be able to enter theuir data as well. What solution have you suggested.  Or to paraphrase a TV Commercial Wow that cool my 1800 just poured a shot. What can your Tequila do? Long pause NOTHING What have you done Taro, have you come up with an answer that meets the criteria I have outline? Hmmmm nope nothing | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | Are we not allowed to discuss updates and changes that we would like to see be implemented by invelos?
Is the database exactly the way it was since the day it started? No it is not.
Ken has updated and implemented changes and rules to reach the point it is today. Change and adaptation are vital to any system - otherwise it becomes stagnant.
This database is exactly like renovating a house. The foundation is strong but I would like to improve and update as we move into the future. Sometimes that means tearing down what is there to make it better.
Please stop lecturing me about the past and about what was. I would like to focus on what could be. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Quoting TheMadMartian:
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But it is not a capitalization rule, which is what we are talking about here. In his last post, even Surfeur admits this...bolding by me:
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As I said earlier, this is about spelling and grammar, not capitalization.
To me, it doesn't matter if it's "capitalization" or "spelling" or "grammar". To me, it doesn't matter either, unfortunately, that isn't what we are talking about. The rules specify that we use capitalization rules, not spelling and grammar rules. That is the point I was making. Quote:
The point is, according to the current direction from Invelos, we are to deliberately introduce errors into the database by converting GARCON to Garcon instead of Garçon....errors which do not exist in the on-screen credit. I don't disagree. It was an unfortunate clarification. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting surfeur51:
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Quoting TheMadMartian:
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As I said earlier, this is about spelling and grammar, not capitalization.
I can easily agree with that. But when rules say "For non-English titles, use capitalization rules common to the language of the title. “Tout va bien” is correctly capitalized. “Tout Va Bien” is not.", we can understand that correct spelling have also to be followed (in fact I never saw any rule asking to introduce spelling mistakes).
I would agree with you had Ken not made his clarification. Granted, it was during a discussion about names, but it doesn't make much sense for him to require a 1 to 1 conversion for names, and nothing else. I wish Ken hadn't made his clarification because, like Hal, I prefer to enter things correctly whenever possible. Trying to figure this one out, sounds wishy washy | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote:
Are we not allowed to discuss updates and changes that we would like to see be implemented by invelos?
Is the database exactly the way it was since the day it started? No it is not.
Ken has updated and implemented changes and rules to reach the point it is today. Change and adaptation are vital to any system - otherwise it becomes stagnant.
This database is exactly like renovating a house. The foundation is strong but I would like to improve and update as we move into the future. Sometimes that means tearing down what is there to make it better.
Please stop lecturing me about the past and about what was. I would like to focus on what could be. Kathy: I bnever said that. But I also am not interested in seeing five years worth of hard work thrown away because of....I won't say what i am thinking. So I seekm to find an answer that gives him what he wants and doesn't throw out five years worth of work and turn the Online database into a three-ring circus as users once again start scrambling to put the data in the way they wnat it to be instead of the way it is.<shakes head> Kathy what is hard about this for you to understand, it insanely simple, it is so easy I can only question motives. Like i said I camne up with a way for Yves to achieve what he wants AND still retain the integrity of the data, it only needs Ken;s approval. That's not hard.  | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
I would agree with you had Ken not made his clarification. Granted, it was during a discussion about names, but it doesn't make much sense for him to require a 1 to 1 conversion for names, and nothing else. I wish Ken hadn't made his clarification because, like Hal, I prefer to enter things correctly whenever possible. Sure it makes sense to restrict that clarification to person's name. The first reason is that with person's names and the habit of some people to spell their name in very odd ways we have a hard time to convert case in a non-ambiguous way. Even though Francois is not a proper French given name, we all know that there may be some people world-wide who spell their given name exactly like this. The second and IMO deciding factor for Ken has been name linking. Role names, titles, and overviews don't link in such a way. And usually we can attach a single language with a well defined conversion rule to such texts. | | | | Last edited: by RHo |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Skip,
You keep referring to this "solution" that you have offered. Somehow, I cannot recall what it was. Can you please post a link to the post that describes it?
Thanks. | | | | Hal |
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