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The point is, according to the current direction from Invelos, we are to deliberately introduce errors into the database by converting GARCON to Garcon instead of Garçon....errors which do not exist in the on-screen credit.

Then you're telling us that possession and perusal of the DVD is not enough to allow for proper data entry of some DVDs, and that special "outside" knowledge will be required.  If this is so then we really should be reproducing exactly what we see on the packaging or onscreen, whether it's ALL CAPS or not, and not try to interpret anything, including capitalization/spelling.

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Just as with certain other fields, e.g. SRP, Release Date, A/R, Case Type, etc., sometimes "outside" expertise is necessary to get the data correct.

I really don't understand why people oppose putting accurate data into the database when there are plenty of resources available to help get it right.

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Then you're telling us that possession and perusal of the DVD is not enough to allow for proper data entry of some DVDs, and that special "outside" knowledge will be required.  If this is so then we really should be reproducing exactly what we see on the packaging or onscreen, whether it's ALL CAPS or not, and not try to interpret anything, including capitalization/spelling.

Technically true, but in reality how often will it actually happen? The majority of people buying the DVDs that are affected will most likely have at least a rudimentary knowledge of the language concerned.
I see it just like the common name, as long as you contribute what you see in good faith there's nothing to worry about. I'm sure in the long run any unintentional errors will be corrected.

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I have little fear that if I buy a DVD from France, the overview will be taken care of properly for me by someone who knows the language. If not, I'm sure I can ask one of the members here for a hand in deciphering it.

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I really don't understand why people oppose putting accurate data into the database when there are plenty of resources available to help get it right.

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You can conclude perhaps, we is an overstatement. i don' reach your conclusion., So please e careful, you don't speak for me.

I have never tried to speak for you. But since I'm not alone, we is correct. That's grammar, not spelling.

   

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The point is, according to the current direction from Invelos, we are to deliberately introduce errors into the database by converting GARCON to Garcon instead of Garçon....errors which do not exist in the on-screen credit.

Then you're telling us that possession and perusal of the DVD is not enough to allow for proper data entry of some DVDs, and that special "outside" knowledge will be required. (...)

This has always been the case. Two well known examples are SRP and release date. But there are many more of these examples buried in the forum. Can you say parsing? I though you can. And conversion from all caps to mixed case is similar in this regard. Another example is the common name which cannot be determined solely by the disc. Even the basic data needed to create a profile such as the locality sometimes needs background info.

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Then you're telling us that possession and perusal of the DVD is not enough to allow for proper data entry of some DVDs, and that special "outside" knowledge will be required.  If this is so then we really should be reproducing exactly what we see on the packaging or onscreen, whether it's ALL CAPS or not, and not try to interpret anything, including capitalization/spelling.

Technically true, but in reality how often will it actually happen? The majority of people buying the DVDs that are affected will most likely have at least a rudimentary knowledge of the language concerned.
I see it just like the common name, as long as you contribute what you see in good faith there's nothing to worry about. I'm sure in the long run any unintentional errors will be corrected.

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The point is, according to the current direction from Invelos, we are to deliberately introduce errors into the database by converting GARCON to Garcon instead of Garçon....errors which do not exist in the on-screen credit.

Then you're telling us that possession and perusal of the DVD is not enough to allow for proper data entry of some DVDs, and that special "outside" knowledge will be required.  If this is so then we really should be reproducing exactly what we see on the packaging or onscreen, whether it's ALL CAPS or not, and not try to interpret anything, including capitalization/spelling.

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Just as with certain other fields, e.g. SRP, Release Date, A/R, Case Type, etc., sometimes "outside" expertise is necessary to get the data correct.

I really don't understand why people oppose putting accurate data into the database when there are plenty of resources available to help get it right.

To comment on both of the above, I agree. "Possession and perusal" is good enough for an initial contribution, but if a subsequent contributor can provide a good explanation as to why an upper case word should be converted in a different manner, let them explain it to the voter's satisfaction.

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The point is, according to the current direction from Invelos, we are to deliberately introduce errors into the database by converting GARCON to Garcon instead of Garçon....errors which do not exist in the on-screen credit.

Then you're telling us that possession and perusal of the DVD is not enough to allow for proper data entry of some DVDs, and that special "outside" knowledge will be required.  If this is so then we really should be reproducing exactly what we see on the packaging or onscreen, whether it's ALL CAPS or not, and not try to interpret anything, including capitalization/spelling.

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"Copy the overview from the back of the DVD case exactly as written" You do understand the meaning of EXACTLY...yes.

Please stop using this argument.  We DO NOT copy the Overview (or the credits) EXACTLY when they are in all caps!  We convert them to mixed case.  That is the whole point of the discussion.  What is the proper way to convert them since we CANNOT enter them "exactly as written".

Thank you hal - I would be interested in discussion focusing on what the proper way(s) to convert them would be.

And Ken clarified it, the diacriticals are kless of spelling issue and more of pronunciation issue, hard c or soft c, etc.

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You can conclude perhaps, we is an overstatement. i don' reach your conclusion., So please e careful, you don't speak for me.

I have never tried to speak for you. But since I'm not alone, we is correct. That's grammar, not spelling.

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So then it is correct if i say that we have already decided this issue.
E=e and É=é, E does not equal é in profiler

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I really don't understand why people oppose putting accurate data into the database when there are plenty of resources available to help get it right.

I'm not at all opposed to accuracy, it's just that I've seen so much inaccuracy already in the online database, and so many head banging debates in this forum, that I'm skeptical that allowing for increased user interpretation in the data entry department is going to make things any better.

This particular debate isn't going to affect me much, I just in principle don't like the Rules leaving too much to individual interpretation.

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Well, I don't see this as user interpretation.  Either the word is spelled correctly, or it is not after the conversion.  Any dictionary (in the correct language) will tell you if it's right or not.

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I am a spelling champion, do want to know how Garçon would spelled in competition. Written it would be it would be Garçon but spelled it competition would be G-A-R-C-O-N