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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Quoting RHo:
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Portaying the title in standard characters means to convert it into standard characters. This conversion can be done in different ways. I would prefer the one chosen by the film makers usually found in the credit block.
Once again, Rho for the reasons i have explained prevuiously I do NOT support bouncing around all over the place trying to get an answer desired by a user, or some, or even a majority. We need ONE place to get the film title and if it is to be someplace other than the front cover, then it should be the filmed title, that is certainly going to be more representative of the filmmaker's wishes than the cover designed by the marketing department or even the Credit Block which is also the marketing department. One single location for the Online, bouncing around to get the desired result is purely and completely a personal preference which you are entitled to do locally but will only cause chaos and confusion in the Online, not to mention more arguments and continued attempts to twist things. one location for data...PERIOD. Yes, we take the title from the cover. No question about that. But we have to portay, as Ken has said, this graphical title from the cover into text form which can be entered into the database. The portraying can be done in different ways as all those title thread show. This portraying method can not come from the cover and Ken's statement does only help in a few cases. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Yup... if memory serves the whole thing started when someone saw this...  And wanted the title to be J*A*G which many did (and remain so) in the main online database. Even after the clarification. I must remember to fix the ones I have in my collection at some point. | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
Quoting TheMadMartian:
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Why do you keep dropping the last portion of Ken's statement?
Why do you keep dropping the first portion? As I provided the entire thing, I can hardly be accused of dropping any of it. Quote:
When I look at the cover of Layer Cake I see a graphic representation of the title "Layer Cake", I therefore enter the title I see in standard characters: L A Y E R C A K E. When I look at the cover of L4YER CAKE, I see an 'L', a '4', a 'Y', an 'E', an 'R', a space, a 'C', an 'A', a 'K' and a stylized 'E'. Since those are all standard characters, that is what I enter...using the same standard characters. Do I know that the '4' represents an 'A'? Of course I do, but that doesn't change anything...at least it doesn't for me. Quote:
Edit: and by the way, I seriously resent the accusation that I am twisting Ken's words.  I am sorry that it upsets you, it was not my intent to offend. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting RHo: Quote:
Quoting TheMadMartian:
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Why do you keep dropping the last portion of Ken's statement? Could it be because it, quite clearly, states that we are to portray the title shown in standard characters? Last I checked, '4' was a standard character so L4yer Cake does portray the title...the one that is on the case...in standard characters. Am I missing something here? 
Portaying the title in standard characters means to convert it into standard characters. This conversion can be done in different ways. I would prefer the one chosen by the film makers usually found in the credit block. As I said in the post you quoted, '4' is already a standard character, so ithere is no need to convert it into anything. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Right there is nothing that isn't standard about 4 or 7... so they belong in the DVD Title. | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
Quoting hal9g:
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Easily. He means we are not trying to replicate graphical formatting, fonts, color, special characters or typeface.
He does not mean changing a perfectly legitimate text character to something completely different from what is on the cover.
Why would he be talking about something that is physically impossible to do in the program? The title field contains no formatting whatsoever so why would Ken tell us not to try and replicate it? Because that is what the thread, the one the post was taken from, was about. If you take that post, in the context of the entire thread, it becomes quite clear. Edit: I see Pete and hal beat me to the punch. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,945 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting johnd: Quote:
I find this whole discussion amazing.
The title is Mean Girls, regardless of how some graphic designer chooses to represent it.
This discussion would never occur anywhere else where movies are discussed, and is another example of why so many people outside this forum look on with disbelief at the type of arguments that rage here. +1 | | | | www.tvmaze.com |
| | Registered: August 23, 2008 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 1,656 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DarklyNoon: Quote:
Quoting johnd:
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I find this whole discussion amazing.
The title is Mean Girls, regardless of how some graphic designer chooses to represent it.
This discussion would never occur anywhere else where movies are discussed, and is another example of why so many people outside this forum look on with disbelief at the type of arguments that rage here.
+1  Well said. | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
"I also refuse to document CLT results and I pay my bills to avoid going to court." - Sam, keeping it real, yo. | | | | Last edited: by Alien Redrum |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I look at them with disbelief myself, this community is astounding. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 5,734 |
| | Posted: | | | | 'Mean Girls' could reach a three-digit poll result. | | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,272 |
| | Posted: | | | | It did, it did! | | | HDTV: 52" Toshiba Regza 52XV545U AVR: Onkyo TR-707
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| | Registered: January 1, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | I can see the reason of the current ruling: Everone should be able to write the title the same, no matter of the knowledge of the language. But I also think perhaps a better way can be found, because on all we make assumptions:   First and second part of the German version of Banlieue 13. If we wouldn't make assumptions: Why is part one in database as Ghettogangz and as Ghetto Gangz. Same in part two. But we do also a reordering of the part "Ultimatum" in the title of the second part. We use Ultimatum as episode descriper according the rules. But this is not what the cover tells use. Cover tells Ghetto Ultimatum Gangz 2, so there is further knowledge needed to make it the more correct way. What about this:  I've seen one profile doing it as "Arthur 2 und die Minimoys" and many others doing it as "Arthur und die Minimoys 2". (Btw, first part is "Arthur und die Minimoys") Would be the one with the 2 in the middle wrong? I don't know. Is it very useful? Omho a clear No. And there will be many other example where those bloody designers will destroy the ideas of the rulings we have.  I know this word is hated here, but common sense can be useful sometimes. Would be Meangirls wrong? Would it be useful? Do we see a chance to find a perfect ruling for everything? Never, ever! Will we make assumptions in future to find the correct title? Always. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | I wonder who has voted for "MeanGirls". It has to be either "Mean Girls" (if it is two words) or "Meangirls" (if it is one word). There is absolutely no base for "MeanGirls".  For the record, I'm still supporting "Mean Girls". |
| | Registered: January 1, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DoubleDownAgain: Quote:
It did, it did! Haha, so these 14 pages did have a reason: a three digit-poll result with a majority of ~94%. *Lol* |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting VirusPil: Quote:
(...) Do we see a chance to find a perfect ruling for everything? Never, ever!
Will we make assumptions in future to find the correct title? Always. Nice examples and we have discussed much more already in various threads in this forum (X-Men 3 springs to my mind again). One solution to reduce assumptions would be to consult other normal text which includes the title in normal writing. Ideally this text would be sanctioned by the film makers (resp. DVD producers) such as the overview. If existing, the credit block would be an almost ideal candidate for such a look up. Again I do not propose to use the title from the credit block. The title would still come from the cover (important for the case where the title in the credit block is completely different than on the cover e.g. in a different language). Only for the conversion how to convert the graphics into normal text, the credit block would be consulted. If we don't have the guide line where to look for the conversion, we have to make assumptions. For example we have to make the assumption that the stars between the letters in "M*A*S*H" are normal asterisks while the stars in "JAG" are just that namely stars. | | | | Last edited: by RHo |
| | Registered: April 16, 2008 | | Posts: 347 |
| | Posted: | | | | Why stop at 3 digit poll results when we can have 4 digit replies?
Oh, by the way, if the movie title isn't in any way definitive, why don't we title the profile "Awesome, Cool and Wicked-good!"? Its on the front cover and this dog won't lie down and go to sleep anyway. |
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