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Quoting Winston Smith:

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...Profiler has become the best because it has both an online and a local system giving tremendous power to its users, the few that dont understand that  or refuse to move from the model that they lost will be crippled. Its sad but its their loss, yes alien and Yves this means both of you to name just two.

I hardly understand what you mean about "my loss". I have been using DVDProfiler since the beginning of my movie collection, and I am perfectly happy with this program, associated with IMDb credits database,  local data, and shared data that do not obey to Invelos rules (headshots and screen captures). So do not be sad for me, I'm not. We have just to be sad for users that do not have time to correct their profiles downloaded from Invelos online database, and are obliged to live with a collection of errors, with no way to have correct linking, sorting and filtering functions.

I have said this before, and will say it again....I am glad that profiler is working locally for how you want it to work.  That is great.

I will not impose on you, the way I want to keep my local, which at times is different from what is online.  It works for me that way also.  That is also great.

The martian will not impose on you the way he keeps his local.  It works for him,  That is great.

There is nobody that is obliged to live with any dataset within the DB.  We all have our ideas of what we want.  I use the online for a starting point.  It really saves me a lot of time on typing.  I find that I can make corrections  or additions to my local very quickly (AS LONG AS THE ONLINE FOLLOWS A SET OF RULES).

Quit trying to impose your idea of collection software on everybody else.  Not everybody thinks the way you do.

if there are a 100 people that care about what is in the online, and 60% (the last poll taken in Feb of 2011 was 81%) of those would prefer an EXACT copy of the overview, then why should Invelos change the rule.  If you keep harping on it, you are trying to impose your will on the majority.  Your way is not the only correct way

Charlie

P.S.  There are a lot of people that have found ways to contribute to the online, while still maintaining there own info in their personal...

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You too ? Geez

Me too what?  I didn't say that is what you meant, just that it came across that way.

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So now everyone who downloads and contributes to the database insists on having everything the same as the online ?

That isn't what we said so, please, do us the courtesy that you asked KinoNiki to give you and stop putting words in our mouths. 

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So it came across that way?
Ok. Let me try to understand what you are saying:

If I want to download (already corrected) overviews and contribute (corrected) overviews then I insists on having everything (cast, crew, title, subtitles, overview, etc. etc.) the same as online.

But If I download (already exact (as the rules say)) overviews and contribute (exact) overviews, then I don't insist on having everything the same as the online?
Is that what you are saying? If so, that is logical and make sense (not).    (As eveything else in here.)

You don't think it makes sense because you seem to be missing an option from the second situation...though I am not sure why as I have indicated that it is something I do, and you responded to it...you download and upload correct per the rules profiles, then change your local to what you prefer.  Unless I am missing something, in the first situation your local would be the same as the online, in the second, it wouldn't...or am I missing something here?

Force
You are missing a crucial. Allowing for One type of corrected data, as you call it, will automatically lead to other users screaming for  THEIR corrected data, cast/crew whatever. Changes such as you want cannot be made in a vacuum.

I wont support the idea, but if ken chooses, its his call. I want nothing to do with any sort of manipulated or interpreted data. Like Charlie I modify my local to suit my needs, but contributed data always complies with the rules. Though I havent contributed for several years now, that is a whole different ball game. Maybe someday.

force,

The online database is supposed to be a place that data is entered the same way by everyone who contributes to it.

In order to achieve that goal invelos set up a contribution process that people are required to follow in order to share information to the online database.

Since this is a world wide user based program, it would be impossible to set up an online database that suits each person individually.

The local database is capable of customizing and changing things to meet each person's needs.

The problem is that one can not have both things at the same time. Once you change data, and it does not follow the contribution process, that data can not be contributed.

If someone wants to get invelos to change the rules and tweak the contribution process, there are steps one can take to try and do so.

But, as many long time users of this program can tell you this is a long process and does not often come to fruition.

From reading your posts it seems to me, and please correct me if I'm wrong, you want the online database to match the one you have locally.

If so then your data can not be customized to suit your individual needs, it will need to follow the rules and guidelines set up for everyone.

It would be nice if you could have both but there is no way for the  program to do such a thing.

Edit: After reading you last post it seems I do not clearly understand what you want - can you please clarify it for me.

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I use the online for a starting point.  It really saves me a lot of time on typing.

This is great, and I'm happy for you. This also proves that you agree with most of Invelos rules, and probably that you do not care very much about linking and filtering of actors (or, if you care, probably you do not have many movies with European actors with accented names).

As for me, after many tests, I realised that it is far more easy to build a profile from scratch than to download it from the online then make needed corrections.

The problem is not to impose my data, it is to convince people that we should have rules that allow good linking, sorting and filtering, which are the main functions of a database. I know that users in this forum are in majority for a copy of what is on covers or on disc, even if this "exact copy" forbid correct database functionning.

In quite each of my posts, I speak of those functions, and nobody gives an answer to this problem, since the online doesn't allow them to work correctly. People prefer mock my posts saying that I want to impose my data. That is not true. I just want a database that works, not a photo of incoherent data, and I'm sure many people are also interested by those functions and have stopped giving their opinion in a place where we are too often told to shut up.

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Kinoniki said that I insist on having everything the same as the online. And that is not true. That's all I meant. You can pick and quibble as much as you want. But that is not true. And if that is the most interesting you could find in my post and worth discussing. Good luck to you. Because I think that was very little interesting. I'm out of here. I have no more time for this nonsense.

I wish you all good luck with your rule.

That is all you had to say, and there wouldn't have been any quibbling.  Instead, you asked follow up questions.  Since you did, twice in fact...because you didn't get a reply the first time...I don't understand why you are now upset about it. 

I'm sorry that the community made you feel the way you do. No one should be made to feel their ideas are not worthy of full and thoughtful consideration.

The anonymity of the forums does not allow people to truly express or understand one another. With very few exceptions I have found that most people are not trying to hurt others with their words.