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Yes, and since they are not "special" there is no reason to do anything with them except enter them exactly as they appear on the cover, just like any other alphanumeric character!

And how do you reconcile that with Ken's statement that "The botom line is that our title rule is not intended to make the title look exactly like the title on the cover (we have cover scans for that)"?
That statement means to me that Ken does not intend us to slavishly try and recreate what we see on the front cover, but to use our brains and other information available to us to type in the actual title of the DVD.

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Yes, and since they are not "special" there is no reason to do anything with them except enter them exactly as they appear on the cover, just like any other alphanumeric character!

And how do you reconcile that with Ken's statement that "The botom line is that our title rule is not intended to make the title look exactly like the title on the cover (we have cover scans for that)"?
That statement means to me that Ken does not intend us to slavishly try and recreate what we see on the front cover, but to use our brains and other information available to us to type in the actual title of the DVD.

Why do you keep dropping the last portion of Ken's statement?  Could it be because it, quite clearly, states that we are to portray the title shown in standard characters?  Last I checked, '4' was a standard character so L4yer Cake does portray the title...the one that is on the case...in standard characters.  Am I missing something here? 

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Why do you keep dropping the last portion of Ken's statement?

Why do you keep dropping the first portion?
When I look at the cover of Layer Cake I see a graphic representation of the title "Layer Cake", I therefore enter the title I see in standard characters: L A Y E R  C A K E.

Edit: and by the way, I seriously resent the accusation that I am twisting Ken's words. 

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And how do you reconcile that with Ken's statement that "The botom line is that our title rule is not intended to make the title look exactly like the title on the cover (we have cover scans for that)"?
That statement means to me that Ken does not intend us to slavishly try and recreate what we see on the front cover, but to use our brains and other information available to us to type in the actual title of the DVD.

Easily.  He means we are not trying to replicate graphical formatting, fonts, color, special characters or typeface. 

He does not mean changing a perfectly legitimate text character to something completely different from what is on the cover.

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Why do you keep dropping the last portion of Ken's statement?

Why do you keep dropping the first portion?
When I look at the cover of Layer Cake I see a graphic representation of the title "Layer Cake", I therefore enter the title I see in standard characters: L A Y E R  C A K E.

Edit: and by the way, I seriously resent the accusation that I am twisting Ken's words. 

LOL, no one is dropping the first portion, north. You are trying to portray the 4 in L4yer Cake as a non-standard character which it is not. You type 4 on your keyboard that is very standard....about as standard as it gets.t is not a graphical or other non-standard character it is the number 4. But I liked Hal's idea, north, go buy the blu-Ray and you won't have that problem.

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Why do you keep dropping the last portion of Ken's statement?  Could it be because it, quite clearly, states that we are to portray the title shown in standard characters?  Last I checked, '4' was a standard character so L4yer Cake does portray the title...the one that is on the case...in standard characters.  Am I missing something here? 

Portaying the title in standard characters means to convert it into standard characters. This conversion can be done in different ways. I would prefer the one chosen by the film makers usually found in the credit block.

Once again, Rho for the reasons i have explained prevuiously I do NOT support bouncing around all over the place trying to get an answer desired by a user, or some, or even a majority. We need ONE place to get the film title and if it is to be someplace other than the front cover, then it should be the filmed title, that is certainly going to be more representative of the filmmaker's wishes than the cover designed by the marketing department or even the Credit Block which is also the marketing department. One single location for the Online, bouncing around to get the desired result is purely and completely a personal preference which you are entitled to do locally but will only cause chaos and confusion in the Online, not to mention more arguments and continued attempts to twist things. one location for data...PERIOD.

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Easily.  He means we are not trying to replicate graphical formatting, fonts, color, special characters or typeface. 

He does not mean changing a perfectly legitimate text character to something completely different from what is on the cover.

Why would he be talking about something that is physically impossible to do in the program? The title field contains no formatting whatsoever so why would Ken tell us not to try and replicate it? 

Because that is what people were attempting to do (however they could) at the time of that thread.

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Why do you keep dropping the last portion of Ken's statement?  Could it be because it, quite clearly, states that we are to portray the title shown in standard characters?  Last I checked, '4' was a standard character so L4yer Cake does portray the title...the one that is on the case...in standard characters.  Am I missing something here? 

Portaying the title in standard characters means to convert it into standard characters. This conversion can be done in different ways. I would prefer the one chosen by the film makers usually found in the credit block.

Once again, Rho for the reasons i have explained prevuiously I do NOT support bouncing around all over the place trying to get an answer desired by a user, or some, or even a majority. We need ONE place to get the film title and if it is to be someplace other than the front cover, then it should be the filmed title, that is certainly going to be more representative of the filmmaker's wishes than the cover designed by the marketing department or even the Credit Block which is also the marketing department. One single location for the Online, bouncing around to get the desired result is purely and completely a personal preference which you are entitled to do locally but will only cause chaos and confusion in the Online, not to mention more arguments and continued attempts to twist things. one location for data...PERIOD.

Woah, timeout here.  The credit block has next to nothing to do with marketing and everything to do with contracts, unions and legal information.  It's all the same to me what a person's rationale is for going in a particular direction, but don't just make crap up to support it.