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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | North: And I have explained the way to do it.  That PREVENTS the userbased interpretation of data AND deals with the data in its proper form (uncredited) AND solves the Alias issue. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 2,366 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
I don't see that as an opposite at all. That comma after "herself" is very important. It tells us that Sandra Bullock is credited as Ida Flammenbaum, who is playing herself. The comma is used as a separator and tells us there are two different things. The first one being the role of the actor and the second one being the name of the actor in that same movie. We see a window with the actor name above with roles below which we read from left to right and not in the opposite direction. | | | Martin Zuidervliet
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | If it was simply a separator then there would be no need for the word "as" to be added. Unfortunately it does cause confusion as Ken has used a comma as a separator when multiple credits are listed in the same profile. It would be better if this was changed to a semi-colon. |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 |  Posts: 374 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
And I have explained the way to do it.
Skip That you can do locally of course. For the ONLINE we do as Ken tells us to do.  |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 2,366 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
I don't see that as being necessary at all. Just because the actor is as fictional as the person they're "playing" doesn't mean we can't credit them just like any other cast member. Well I do. It doesn't make any sense to me to just move a role in the credited as field, because it isn't related to the actor but to the part he or she plays. And you can not say a fictional character plays him or herself because he or she does not exist. | | | Martin Zuidervliet
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
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I don't see that as being necessary at all. Just because the actor is as fictional as the person they're "playing" doesn't mean we can't credit them just like any other cast member.
Well I do. It doesn't make any sense to me to just move a role in the credited as field, because it isn't related to the actor but to the part he or she plays. And you can not say a fictional character plays him or herself because he or she does not exist. Quite frankly, its equally silly to say that Himself played Jabba the Hut. At least if Lucas decides to get dumb again and provide another Jabba the Hut credit, they'll link. Your way will have Himself linking to any number of movies, none of which are in any way connected. | | | | Last edited: by mdnitoil |
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Well I do. It doesn't make any sense to me to just move a role in the credited as field, because it isn't related to the actor but to the part he or she plays. And you can not say a fictional character plays him or herself because he or she does not exist. Your logic is flawed on so many levels I don't know where to begin so I will try and keep it simple. If we can't credit a fictional character as playing herself, we sure as heck can't credit 'herself' as playing that character. I mean, who is this mysterious actress named 'herself'? This is a 'tongue in cheek' credit. The only way to enter this, so as to make it mean what it is, is to enter it the way Ken told us to. This entry method indicates that Sandra Bullock played 'Ida Flammenbaum' who is being credited as playing herself. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
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And I have explained the way to do it. That PREVENTS the userbased interpretation of data AND deals with the data in its proper form (uncredited) AND solves the Alias issue.
Skip You've explained how you would do it. How can you justify voting 'no' on Tim's contribution which is done exactly the way Ken directed it to be done?  | | | ...James
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
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I don't see that as an opposite at all. That comma after "herself" is very important. It tells us that Sandra Bullock is credited as Ida Flammenbaum, who is playing herself. If that comma was not there, then your reading of it would be right. But as it is, Ken's way of entering the credit seems the best way.
Thanks for showing me that, if I am indeed out in left field, I am not out there alone.  Actually, it doesn't matter since Ken has handed down the "Word". | | | | Hal |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Actually, it doesn't matter since Ken has handed down the "Word". True enough. I guess I am in good company out there in Left Field.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
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And I have explained the way to do it. That PREVENTS the userbased interpretation of data AND deals with the data in its proper form (uncredited) AND solves the Alias issue.
Skip But she's not uncredited. The character that she plays is in fact listed in the credits, so how can you say she is not credited? She's credited using a name which is different from her own, therefore we use the "credited as" feature. That's like saying that if a movie had the following credit: Marion Morrison as The Cowboy then we should actually enter it into DVDP as: John Wayne [Marion Morrison] as The Cowboy (uncredited) I don't think so! | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
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And I have explained the way to do it. That PREVENTS the userbased interpretation of data AND deals with the data in its proper form (uncredited) AND solves the Alias issue.
Skip
You've explained how you would do it. How can you justify voting 'no' on Tim's contribution which is done exactly the way Ken directed it to be done? Very simple, James. Tim is blatantly violating the Rules which terll us to list the data exacvtly as it appears On Screen PERIOD. End of subject. Tim like some other users does not want to follow the Rules, he instead wants to be able to apply HIS user interpretation of the data. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
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And I have explained the way to do it. That PREVENTS the userbased interpretation of data AND deals with the data in its proper form (uncredited) AND solves the Alias issue.
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But she's not uncredited. The character that she plays is in fact listed in the credits, so how can you say she is not credited? She's credited using a name which is different from her own, therefore we use the "credited as" feature.
That's like saying that if a movie had the following credit:
Marion Morrison as The Cowboy
then we should actually enter it into DVDP as:
John Wayne [Marion Morrison] as The Cowboy (uncredited)
I don't think so! That is quite possibly the lamest argument i have ever seen you make , Hal. Where in the film is Sandra credited as playing Ida...she is NOT is she. NOT CREDITED. The Ida role is an (uncredited) role (relative to Sandra) which can be documented as Sandra. It could be conceivably be listed Sandra as Herself (uncredited), this would also meet the criteria I have outlined above. But it would seem more consistent to stay with the ACTUAL role name and define the actress. The most important item above is the elimination of user interpreted data, which is AGAINST the Rules as I have outlined. You follow the Rules and in a case such as this try and develop a plan that will accomplish the objective that Tim wqants to achieve WITHOUT breaking the Rules. I have demonstrated how that can be done and all Tim wants to do is IGNORE THE RULES. Skip Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Quoting skipnet50:
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And I have explained the way to do it. That PREVENTS the userbased interpretation of data AND deals with the data in its proper form (uncredited) AND solves the Alias issue.
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You've explained how you would do it. How can you justify voting 'no' on Tim's contribution which is done exactly the way Ken directed it to be done?
Very simple, James. Tim is blatantly violating the Rules which terll us to list the data exacvtly as it appears On Screen PERIOD. End of subject. Tim like some other users does not want to follow the Rules, he instead wants to be able to apply HIS user interpretation of the data.
Skip So Ken Cole is blatantly violating the Rules when he told us that was the way to enter the data? Tim is only applying Ken Cold's interpretation of the data. Since it's ultimately Ken's data, why is your interpretation of the data more important than Ken's? | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
Very simple, James. Tim is blatantly violating the Rules which terll us to list the data exacvtly as it appears On Screen PERIOD. End of subject. Tim like some other users does not want to follow the Rules, he instead wants to be able to apply HIS user interpretation of the data. Again, I understand that you don't like it, but Tim is NOT applying his user interpretation of the data. He is applying KEN's interpretation of the data. Ken said, and I quote, "Sandra Bullock [Ida Flammenbaum] as Herself is correct." That is exactly what Tim contributed. I don't know how you can vote against a profile change that does exactly what Ken told us to do. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 2,366 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Your logic is flawed on so many levels I don't know where to begin so I will try and keep it simple.
If we can't credit a fictional character as playing herself, we sure as heck can't credit 'herself' as playing that character. I mean, who is this mysterious actress named 'herself'? I will try to keep it simple too. The only time someone really can play herself is when she's not someones imagination. For instance you could see if I was playing with myself, but you can not see if my imaginary friend was playing with herself.  | | | Martin Zuidervliet
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