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When you have a doubt...

Again, not knowing French (or Norwegian, or Farsi, or Russian, or many, many more), I thus need to have doubts on every name I read. What's a French name, an English name, an Armenian name? Must I look up every name of every actor/actress/crew member on evry film I want to submit?

Your concept makes me want to never submit another profile ever again.

Far too much work to please the ç rather than c crowd.

The whole concept is unworkable, IMHO.

Agreed. We shouldn't have to rely on external information more than necessary (SRP, release date, CoO in some cases, to name some of them).

<shakes head sadly> Go use IMDb.Leave profiler be Profiler. No I am not back. Profiler is NOT IMDb.

Skip

Or nothing.

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The whole concept is unworkable, IMHO.

It's quite workable...if the goal is to reduce the number of people who actually contribute profiles.  I can't imagine there will be that many users who are willing to jump through all those hoops in order to contribute.

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<shakes head sadly> Go use IMDb.Leave profiler be Profiler. No I am not back. Profiler is NOT IMDb.

Skip

Hello Skip, happy to see you again after your long disappearance. But you will see that during all that time, things have not really changed, Frenchies are still unable to understand anything... 

       

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Generally, you argue against people who say doing things correctly is too much work. If we had someoen who entered credits in all caps because in his country, they didn't have lower-case letters (let's say he's from ancient Rome or something), you would tell him to leave contributing to peopel who knew what they were doing. I'd think this is the same situations. At the very least, if someone wants to change Francois to François and can provide documentation this is correct, we should accept it.

I would agree with you...in fact, I suggested the same exact thing...if it weren't for the fact that Ken already said that we are to use a 1 to 1 conversion...even if it isn't "accurate".

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Some credit listings have fully capitalized names with accents, some without.  Some have mixed case with accents, some without.  So, it's not possible to determine whether the accents were left off due to typeface limitations or due to intent.  We try to keep rules simple even (sometimes) at the cost of infinite "accuracy".  The Credited As field allows actor linking across your collection while maintaining the credit list as shown.

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No, there are no special English rules to apply.  Since "é" has a corresponding "É", simple capital conversion is all that's required.  If the character used in the all-caps name is "É", convert it to "é" as needed to create mixed case.  If the character used in all-caps is "E", convert it to "e" as needed to create mixed case.{/blockquote]

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<shakes head sadly> Go use IMDb.Leave profiler be Profiler. No I am not back. Profiler is NOT IMDb.

Skip

Hello Skip, happy to see you again after your long disappearance. But you will see that during all that time, things have not really changed, Frenchies are still unable to understand anything... 

         

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One person can have many different names and spellings of each name. A solution to linking them is better than random users inputting what they think is "best" or "real world".

I'm actually interested in this linking idea of yours. Could you elaborate on this? I'm mostly concerend about being able to correctly cross link between actors and this could be a solution. A few questions:
1) do you refer to the 'credited as' system or something new?
2) would this work for actors who have, say, 5 or 6 variations of their name?
3) would a user be able to choose which name (of all those linked) to locally display in all profiles? Or would the name differ per profile?

Thank you in advance for your answer. I'm very interested to hear more about your ideas.

Can't speak for VibroCount, however, a simple linking system which allows for John Doe=John J. Doe=John James Doe=JJ Doe=J.J. Doe=J. J. Doe=John J. Doe, Jr.=John J. Doe Jr., etc., etc. would allow us to link as many variations as there are; no limit.

Essentially, Ken would create another table in the online for all of the names which are linked to each other.  When you click on a name in the cast list, the program pulls up every profile with that name as well as every profile of names to which it is linked.  This is a simple programming issue.

The table would be updated by the user community the same way we do contributions today, but as a separate contribution function from normal profiles.  These "linking" contributions would be voted on by the user community just like normal contributions.  If the user community agrees to link two names, the table would be updated accordingly. When you do updates to your local database, this table would be downloaded to your local, and all of your profiles would be linked automatically.  No need to update every profile with a Common Name the way we have to do it today.

As far as what is displayed in your local, that would be a simple programming issue.  It seems that the user would have to select a display name for each linked actor/actress or they could select "As Credited" to display the name that was entered in the actual profile from the film credits.  This decision could be made during the update process.

This eliminates all arguments about formatting, spacing, capitalization, commas, periods, accents, etc., etc.

The only argument it won't dispel is that of parsing which could also be eliminated by going to a single name field (actually, we could link names that are parsed differently, as well).

Of course, if we did these two things, there would be nothing left to talk about in these forums!