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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantTheDarkKnight
Registered: March 14, 2007
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J68 can you please stop. Your posts are very close to trolling in my opinion. 
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantJ68
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J68 can you please stop. Your posts are very close to trolling in my opinion. 

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I have no idea how a thread can go 9 pages for something like this.


I call it as I see it.  Your above post and subsequent posts did not actually add any value to the thread.  So please look first to your own contributions before besmirching mine.  I'm not asking for any better treatment than you would expect yourself.

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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantTheDarkKnight
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My comment about the thread length was because I think that the question that the OP asked was easy to answer with the provided screen shot. I don't think it needs 9 or 10 pages to answer the question. I don't care for your answers to my posts because you twist them and take sentences out of context. Either you don't understand what I am writing or you try to turn my words around and belittle me.
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Either you don't understand what I am writing or you try to turn my words around and belittle me.

Your cares are certainly your own concern.  But when you belittle the efforts of 9 pages of good debate and then get affronted because I pull your leg about your self-righteous indignation, then I have to say you're taking yourself far too seriously mate.
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Please pick up from my answer, rather than just repeating your question.  It avoids a repetitious cycle of asking the same question and giving the same answer.

Perhaps, next time I'll just ignore your question - but where would that get us?  You ignoring my answers and me ignoring your questions

Small problem...you didn't answer the question.  I have read your post, three times now, and can't find an answer.
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Well, if we take your assumption as a fact, then yes the credits do tell us that.  If we don't take your assumption, then it is possible those individuals were sub-contracted by a casting agency as extras and never directly linked to the film, other than on a sub-contracted basis - which I suggest makes them Crew.

You can suggest anything you want but, by your own words betray you.  If those people were sub-contracted by a casting agency, they are cast.  How do I know this?  Because casting agencies hire cast, not crew.  I am sorry, but it seems so simple to me.

Beyond that, we have this...
Lockport Township High School Band website
The South Shore Drill Team website

...they seem to believe they were in the film.  Thought, I guess, it is possible, that they don't know the difference between being in the film (cast) and working on the film (crew). 
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I changed my mind.

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Small problem...you didn't answer the question.  I have read your post, three times now, and can't find an answer.

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It would be ever so helpful, if you could provide us with a link or two that would help educate us on the specific duties of this crew position.

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You are asking the wrong person.  It wasn't my idea to list them as crew, it was the Film-Maker's.


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betray

Now there's a thorny word that sucks the value out of the rest of your paragraph.
 
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Thought, I guess, it is possible, that they don't know the difference between being in the film (cast) and working on the film (crew).


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Another performance of note was the Marching Band's participation in the 1986 hit film "Ferris Bueller's Day Off".

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Appeared in Paramount Pictures “Ferris Bueller’s Day Off”


I missed the bit where they said they were part of the cast.  Don't worry about it.  Its just a minor detail that no one will actually be interested in. I'm sure they were very pleased with their credit listing, but it really is a stretch to say they were part of the cast and that they deserve acting credits for it. But hey, whatever makes you happy.  I hadn't realised that acting was so easy, that you could get credits for being in a crowd.  What about all those films with with football games; marching bands, drill teams, crowds.  Someone is going to fill their boots scouring through those. LOL

You guys set the standards.  You really ought to think more carefully about them 
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The question was:
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It would be ever so helpful, if you could provide us with a link or two that would help educate us on the specific duties of this crew position.

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You are asking the wrong person.  It wasn't my idea to list them as crew, it was the Film-Maker's.

Are you serious here?  You are the one claiming they are crew, not the film makers.  All the film makers did was credit them in a spot that you believe is crew and crew alone.  So, what you really did was dodge the question because you don't have an answer for it.
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Thought, I guess, it is possible, that they don't know the difference between being in the film (cast) and working on the film (crew).


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Another performance of note was the Marching Band's participation in the 1986 hit film "Ferris Bueller's Day Off".

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Appeared in Paramount Pictures “Ferris Bueller’s Day Off”


I missed the bit where they said they were part of the cast.  Don't worry about it.  Its just a minor detail that no one will actually be interested in. I'm sure they were very pleased with their credit listing, but it really is a stretch to say they were part of the cast and that they deserve acting credits for it.

You must be pulling my leg here.  Participating and appearing in the film means they were IN the film.  They may not be the stars, but they were IN the film.  Anyone who was IN the film, is part of the cast...that's kinda the definition of 'cast'.  Again, it seems quite simple to me.
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But hey, whatever makes you happy.  I hadn't realised that acting was so easy, that you could get credits for being in a crowd.

Have you even looked at a set of film credits?  I have films with people credited, in the main cast list, as 'Bus Passenger', 'Subway Commuter', 'Cute Girl', 'Villager', etc.  Should we leave them all out simply because they did nothing but stand there?
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What about all those films with with football games; marching bands, drill teams, crowds.  Someone is going to fill their boots scouring through those. LOL

If they are credited, anywhere in the film credits, I enter them.  Just about everybody I know, who does a full audit, does it the exact same way.
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You guys set the standards.  You really ought to think more carefully about them 

I don't see why as it is quite obvious, to everybody but you and Skip, that these people are credited cast.  That being the case, the standard seems just fine to me.
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There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
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Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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So, your saying my answer wasn't an answer.  Hmmm.  OK, so I'll benchmark that view LOL.

Now what was it you were saying about the "obvious" cast credits.  Oh yes,
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I have films with people credited, in the main cast list, as 'Bus Passenger'...


But we're talking about entities not listed in the main cast list.

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Isn't uncredited for people in the movie but not listed in the cast? 

I know I've seen in credits other groups..like bands or whatever.  I just can't remember in what movie it was right now.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantGrendell
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J68 can you please stop. Your posts are very close to trolling in my opinion. 


So, he's the troll. Yeah. Good one.
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So, your saying my answer wasn't an answer.  Hmmm.  OK, so I'll benchmark that view LOL.

It was an answer, just not to the question asked.  I believe they call it an evasive answer.
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Now what was it you were saying about the "obvious" cast credits.  Oh yes,
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I have films with people credited, in the main cast list, as 'Bus Passenger'...


But we're talking about entities not listed in the main cast list.


Nice try at twisting my words, by taking them out of context.  It should have been quite obvious that I was addressing your statement, "I hadn't realised that acting was so easy, that you could get credits for being in a crowd."  My point was, acting is that easy and you can get credits for being in a crowd.  Will you make loads of money doing it, probably not, but you can get credits for it.

That being said, your words have betrayed you again.  For there to be a 'main cast list', there must also be a secondary cast list, otherwise it is just a 'cast list'.  Seems to me, as I said before, you aren't against the entry because they aren't cast, you are against the entry because they aren't part of the 'main cast list'.
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
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Isn't uncredited for people in the movie but not listed in the cast?

Not quite.  Uncredited is for people in the movie, but not listed in the credits.
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There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorKathy
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Does anyone else think this thread has been played out?

Ninehours, I believe that you have enough opinions and ideas in order to come to a conclusion to your query.

Unless anyone can come up with any new ideas, it might be best to submit the data change. Then, let the voters add their input and let the screener decide.

Since neither Ken nor Gerri has settled the debate, I would ask that you post the decision of the screeners so that both sides can see what the result is.
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Nice try at twisting my words, by taking them out of context.
Ah.  It wasn't my intention to twist your words.  A like-for-like example would have been more helpful.  The conclusion you've apparently drawn about my view with regards Extras is off-base - that's why I apparently didn't understand the relevance of your example.

Extras are as it says on the tin, "extras".  They are not by definition "Cast" they are "Extras".  Yes, there are times when an Extra's Role is sufficiently prominent that they are given acting credits.  I applaud anyone's attempt to make it big and if they secure acting credits, more power to them.  However, most Extras aren't credited.  If your definition of Cast is so wide that it encompasses Extras, then I understand why you think this is a simple matter.  However, if you limit the inclusion of Extras to those named in the main credits and those unamed actors who have an appreciable body of work, then the topic is not so simple.

I don't know what you said in the other paragraph, because as I scanned it I caught sight of a word that looked remarkably "thorny", so I didn't read it.
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Unless anyone can come up with any new ideas, it might be best to submit the data change. Then, let the voters add their input and let the screener decide.


To summarise:
A Cast listing is given to actors and can be found in the end titles in the Cast section.
An Extra not listed in the Cast Section, but credited elsewhere has by default been denied acting credits.  As there is no separate "Extras" section, the analogy is that they were considered a Crew member, albeit one that held non-standard job.
Extras not listed in any credits, I suggest, should only be listed if they have an appreciable body of work.

I see Cast credits as acting credits.  Hence why some Extras will have Cast credits (acting credits) and others not.  If we are to second guess why some identifiable people were not listed in the main Cast list and others were, it seems appropriate to have a framework that recognises the "acting" part rather than the "appearance" or "participation" part.

The exception being those actors with an appreciable body of work, where tracking their uncredited appearances adds value to the database.

Regards.
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Kindly define "appreciable body of work".

Using that as a criterion would lead to endless ping-ponging, I'm afraid.
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