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20th Century Fox, Universal, Disney, Lets see how far ill get with those.

Those are all abbreviations and, per the rules, not allowed.  Again, I think you are misunderstanding what I am saying here.  My original post in this thread concerned SVT Drama.

I have no opinion on SVT as I don't know the company.  Because of that, all my posts concerning 'real' names has been in general terms.

SVT Drama is not an unofficial name, stop spreading these incorrect myths.

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My point was that if we allow company divisions, we have no way of knowing what is a division and what and abbreviation, since theres no way of checking this. Sveriges Television wanted to use the unofficial name of SVT Drama, The Walt Disney Company wanted to use the name Disney. The copyright is also given to Disney on some DVD's. But we search the correct name and add that instead. So why we should add SVT Drama and on the case of Disney we search the correct one?

Because, just like SVT Drama is a division of SVT, Walt Disney Pictures is a division of Disney.  Universal Pictures is a division of Universal Studios.  We already allow company divisions.

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Not so small, they are known for co-producing theatrical films. It's probably an in-house production company but the legal status doesn't matter to us, what does matter is the on-screen credit themselves. Anyone looking at them should be able to enter them verbatim without consulting an outside source.

Sveriges Television seems to be bigger: http://www.imdb.com/company/co0079546/ on IMDB. In my understanding these are both the same, but are separated in IMDB. If they are both the same, as i suspect, wouldnt it be better to have them under the same, official name?

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Does it really matter?  If the credit reads something along the lines of, "Produced by SVT Drama", why would we want to leave it out?

No, if someone adds it under the wrong name its an honest mistake. But is the person correcting it violating the rules?

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As I said earlier, IMDb has them listed as a production company with for 497 films/shows to their credit.  Are you telling me that IMDb got it wrong?

Yes based on my knowledge.

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Quoting KinoNiki:

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SVT Drama is not an unofficial name, stop spreading these incorrect myths.

Then why isnt it in the company registry? My Swedish is nonexistent and the Swedish registry might not work the same way as the Finnish one does. So feel free to point to any additional information i might have missed.

Since when do we enter studio data based on company registries? If the producers choose to publically credit themselves as SVT Drama, that's how we enter it. Those that try to rewrite the data according to their own preferences are the ones who need to prove that their changes are correct. I have still not seen any evidence whatsoever that SVT Drama is an incorrect credit.

Anyway, I was watching ESC (Eurovision) yesterday and I saw the NRK Presents credit right at the beginning. (And it was not a company logo I might add.) I thought that was interesting since NRK also can be seen as an abbreviation. I'm just waiting for someone to cry out that this can't be entered when the DVDs comes out..

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Since when do we enter studio data based on company registries?

Well, we do it for US companies, and have been for years.

I never have.  Not once have I looked at a company registry to determine what company to enter.

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I disagree with your preference. And the rules on various occasions mention that we shouldn't add them as credited.

I have to disagree with you here.  While the rules do tell us not to abbreviate studio names, they have never prohibited 'as credited' entries.

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However, in this case, the rules arent really giving us definite direction and either way could be justified. So i think the rules section on this matter should be clarified.

I don't see how either way could be justified.  I don't see anything in the rules that would allow us to enter Sveriges Television when the credit reads SVT Drama.  I do, however, agree that the rules need to be clarified.

It feels like all I need to say is that I realized that I was wrong of course about Sveriges Television not producing stuff. Because of course they are. But I meant to say something else, I guess.

What I did mean that I can agree to some extent that SVT Drama can be seen as a company and that it's correct to contribute them like that. But I would not agree that SVT alone is correct to enter. At least not without someone correcting it to "Sveriges Television".

And whispering and I are still always talking about what is official and what is just plain informal and abbreviations.

In the US it's a lot more common to abbreviate, but I can see the trend going up for Sweden as well to follow that example. But since US companies mustn't be abbreviated, why should Swedish ones be?

I would, by the way, rather prefer that people learned how to contribute and learned before they do so. I mean it's not just about jotting it all down and submitting.
When I contribute, I try to get the facts right and look things up before I contribute.
It's a learning process as well.

But what I have learned so far is that SVT definitely is an abbreviation and shouldn't be used. It can't be used. Nor "SF", etc.
Because it's not OK to abbreviate "Fox", "Disney", "Pixar", et al.
If that's a rule, then SVT is a no-no too. Among all others.