Only thing Kathy... that is true for every poll ever taken in these forums. But Invelos can only go by those that participate in the poll... they can't have any idea what the people that don't participate wants.

Now that is true.

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I am a contributor... and I want (preferably limited) open credits. As it is now I barely touch crew credits as it is done now... but if we went to a type what you see system then even I could feel comfortable contributing even more crew credits then I do now.

I asked this in the rules forum, but don't think I got an answer, so will ask it again here.  Wouldn't making the current 'Custom Role' field contributable do what you want?  It would allow us to keep the predefined categories and roles we currently have while, at the same time, give the the predifined role meaning.  Is that not a viable option?

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I did answer you in the other thread... let me see if I can find that post now.

That thread grew quite fast so, if I missed it, I apologize. 

As I noted, Martian 38-24 prefer some form of Open credits that includes your Contributable. Do I think it is the ultimate answer...NO, I don't, but it is certainly an improvement. Do away with the Jobs and just list whatever goes in the categories as found on Screen. Don't try to do anymore shoehorning EVER. Those who desire  a more expanded, but still limted, form of Open Creds also represent an improvement. But the ultimate answer that will serve ANY user no matter what, is completely Open Credits, under such a system ALL users are served and no one is left behind by the elitist majority. Note the caveat, we also must be able to select whatever data we want to deal with individually, this would be a good option to include under ANY form of Open Creds, that way if some user doesn't want sound data, he doesn't have to have it. But to see users saying I want less, that's just more elitist talk, because while they might not want Sound, someone DOES. That was a lesson I learned from the Original Rules Group, I didn't care about Sound, but a couple of users DID and said so...I will give myself credit; I did not take the elitist approach and say tough we have had a chance to work it out and it has been removed from the Beta. No, I didn't do that, I told the users that wanted the Sound data to go work something out and bring it back, they did and kudos to them for doing so.

So, no i am not an elitist user and will not apologize for thinking that many if not most are. WEhat I know without a doubt is that for many users the database has become less usable and far less functional because of these elitists and I am absolutely convinced based on my years experience in databases and my wife's as well that the very best answer is completely Open Credits. None of us is required to Contribute any data which we do not wish to deal, you don't like Gaffers, you don't have to list them, but neither have you the right to tell a user who might like gaffers that he can't have them. If this Forum truly wants to be democratic, then you will understand it and embrace, instead masking your elitist attitudes behind Democracy, while backing principles which are so destructive to the database as to be near unbelievable.

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So let me get this straight. According to you you're NOT an elitist while at the same time you are:
a. denying (near) non-English speakers the right to have crew credits for English-spoken films in their database in a language they can understand;
b. denying all users that enjoy having a collection of international films the right to have crew credits for all films in their database in a language they can understand.

Unbelievable.

If such an elitist approach will ever be adopted by Ken, I will be out of here the same day.

While I can understand what you're saying there, I would rather have them in their original language.

Perhaps some sort of change could be added to the translation part of the software where job titles could be changed locally.

Edit: It could even be a single list for all localities.

Basic concept -

It would have all the terms listed in one language & then the translations for other languages. It would then use whichever language your DVDP interface is in.

The benefit of that is that it would work for all titles in your collection. Once set up, you wouldn't need to translate each and every entry.

Example
[English]
Director
Producer
Editor

[French]


[German]


[Swedish]


etc...

Deejay:

Not at all, but I can't solve the problems caused by the program not recognizing all character sets, nor do I have any idea what's involved in that area.

As for your second claim, the only Rule is to list the data exactly as Credited, that is determined not by me but by the film itself, don't try and blame me for what the industry does. I have films in my library that use french for credits and guess what I type the credit as I see them, which includes whatever diacriticals might ACTUALLY appear ON SCREEN. On ocassion I have sought some help for translations, and some of those translations will have to be updated to custom roles once I get the films out of storage and into my hot little hands again. My only target is the credits and what they REALLY say, not what I imagine them to say.

So go try and pin your little flag on someone that it fits because it ain't me. The purpose of the rules was intended to create a common dataset to ALL users, that common dataset is not IMDB nor any other third party, it is the credits that you see On SCREEN. If the fact tha many films use English then go bitch at those you need to complain to , not me, my basic response is if you can't understand the movie why are you watching it. That to me sounds like a blind man going to a film and complaining because he can't see it, give me a break. There has to be a single playing field deejay, I was HERE when everybody was running around and doing whatever they wanted, including turning region 1 US Profiles into Portugese. So we set up a common page for ALL to use and that page is the CREDITS.

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you don't like Gaffers, you don't have to list them, but neither have you the right to tell a user who might like gaffers that he can't have them.

Every DVDP user can have any credits they want in their database right now.  No one is stopping them.

Not the point scott

Then what is your point?

You keep talking about "elitists" trying to prevent people from capturing data.  No one here is doing that.  However, there do seem to be several here who will lose functionality if fully open credits are implemented and you don't seen to care about them.  Perhaps a compromise can be reached, maybe by having categorized, predefined credits in the online, with the availability of open credits in the local.

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