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Well, if that is the case I was right all the time with trying to change all Stereo tracks to surround.

Ah, well, I kept it local for now and contijued contributing withiout the Stereo-Surround changes.

But always nice to see that in the end those people that attacked me seemed to be plain wrong.

Donnie

Dude,  you have a skewed view of the world. Asking for documentation is not an attack. You were the one attacking others as a response to a very reasonable request.

Indeed.  Had he simply provided documentation, as Ace did, instead of attacking, this would have been over a long time ago.

Well,

I seem to be missing something here.

I provided about the same documentation that Ace did, he linked to a site that explained it all and I linked to schaumi, who works in the business and knows everything about his issue and he pretty much explained it perfectly, as perfectly as the link does that Ace pointed to.

Otherwise there is NO PROOF, as I always said, it is not proovable by any program or any receiver, hence why every receiver or program gives you different results.

So either we believe those experts or we do not.

I tend to believe them , some seem to not believe them, but without knowing any better of course, They just doubt what experts or expert sides say.

So the only "proof" or explanation given to change all the audio from stereo to surround is  alink to what an expert on that matter has to say.

And that link I surely gave.

But we can really end this now, I stopped caring ; I have it all correct in my local now and I am fine with it.

cheers
Donnie

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I agree the doc that Ace has provided is nothing. And while I have not seen anything to change my opinion over the years, i STILL check each and evry disc either the DVDShrink, my system or BOTH. And for notes i would explain this and cite my results.Which is far better than what is being done, that is genuine documentation for each disc, not just a GUESS based on website...no matter how good or accurate the website might be,.Stay above that kind of lame doc, donnie, don't let the turkeys get you down, just add substantive doc.

Skip

I agree with almost everything you wrote Skip, but I think it is impossible to verify this with the equipment we have, hence the votes I got, people stated they have checked , some said Yes and some said NO, so people with different equipment got different results.

Conclusion for me is that the opinion of an expert who works in this industry or an expert website is more trusworthy than all our equipment we can use to document this.

But as Is aid, I leave all those Stereo audios alone for now in the online database, someone else can deal with it

cheers
Donnie

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Well,

I seem to be missing something here.

Indeed you are.

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I provided about the same documentation that Ace did, he linked to a site that explained it all and I linked to schaumi, who works in the business and knows everything about his issue and he pretty much explained it perfectly, as perfectly as the link does that Ace pointed to.

You provided a quote from another user.  With all due respect to that user, I have no way of knowing whether or not he actually works in the business and knows everything about the issue.

Ace, on the other hand, provided a link to a document from Dolby.  When talking about Dolby Digital Sound, I am more than willing to take their word on the issue as it is their technology.  I am not, however, willing to take another users word on it.  I am sorry if that offends your sensibilities, but we are all just words on a screen and I have no way to confirm that you do, indeed, know what you are talking about.

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Otherwise there is NO PROOF, as I always said, it is not proovable by any program or any receiver, hence why every receiver or program gives you different results.

So either we believe those experts or we do not.

I tend to believe them , some seem to not believe them, but without knowing any better of course, They just doubt what experts or expert sides say.

So the only "proof" or explanation given to change all the audio from stereo to surround is  alink to what an expert on that matter has to say.

I am more than willing to accept what an expert has to say on the issue.  Where you and I differ is in what constitutes an expert.  If a user gives me their opinion, then refuses to give me any verifiable information to back it up...basically saying, "it is because I say it is."  I give that user very little credibility.  If, like Ace, they provide verifiable documentation to back up their opinion, I give them the credibility they deserve.

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And that link I surely gave.

Again, you gave a link to the opinion of another user.  While that was enough for you, it wasn't enough for me.

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But we can really end this now, I stopped caring ; I have it all correct in my local now and I am fine with it.

Actually, this could have ended a long time ago.  Unfortunately, you decided to take a few more shots at the people who didn't accept your 'proof'.

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Anyway, I don't know why I even got into this thread as I really don't care about this issue.

Ditto for me. as I said if not for the nasty PMs and the threats it likely would have slid way beneath my radar. Word to the wise, don't poke the sleeping bear. 

One last question about this issue.

Now that we have an "official "statement" from the Dolby site itself, that the surround data is ALWAYS there, is that proof enough for you, that I can change all the stereo tracks to Surround ?

I am not talking about Music tracks and early 80s and before tv-programs

Just for movies.

cheers
Donnie

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One last question about this issue.

Now that we have an "official "statement" from the Dolby site itself, that the surround data is ALWAYS there, is that proof enough for you, that I can change all the stereo tracks to Surround ?

I am not talking about Music tracks and early 80s and before tv-programs

Just for movies.

Unless Dolby also provides a list, by UPC/EAN, of each disc and what each track actually is then no, it doesn't matter what they say.  What was done in theaters isn't relevant to what is done on the discs.

Just let the data on the disc rule.  If it decodes to Surround fine.  If it decodes to DD 2.0, also fine. 

There are tools (PowerDVD, many receivers) out there that can differentiate between the two.  I have any number of discs with both flavors and the tools can tell the difference.

Just let the data decide.

DVD mfrs are completely incapable of properly setting flags for progressive vs interlaced; I don't see why one would assume they can properly set flags for surround.