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And more often than not a majority of the forum agrees to enter the variation.

Bold by me.

I agree with you on this. But once again - forum members are not the majority of users for this program. Therefore, it really doesn't matter what they decide.

Until the rules are updated the majority of users will continue to follow the rules as they stand now; and will not understand when they get NO votes from forum members. NO votes that will be totally wrong and against the current rules.

While the forum is an invaluable source of knowledge and advice when it comes down to it there really is no power here. Some people seem to forget that.

What about this, we start a thread that contains a list of roles that have been agreed in the forums that these roles are either allowed or not so when we have a forum agreement on something it then gets added to the allowed or not allowed list's of roles, when the rules are updated (i have been told in a response to a Support Ticket that the rules are in the process of being updated) we ask Ken to add a link to this thread in the credits section of the rules, this way any forum agreements then get linked to in the rules. 
What do you think? would this help

Quoting Pantheon:

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Quoting RHo:

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And more often than not a majority of the forum agrees to enter the variation.

Bold by me.

I agree with you on this. But once again - forum members are not the majority of users for this program. Therefore, it really doesn't matter what they decide.

I just wanted to state that I can´t confirm hal9g´s impression about the forum. Of course the forum majority does not overrule the rules.

Quoting Addicted2DVD:

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I agree... Ken and Gerri needs to be able to agree with what is being added.

I have no problem with that

Quoting ninehours:

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OK i have raised a support ticket asking if an Invelos official could please post in this thread to clarify if Dubbing Mixer/Dubbing Editor are allowed under the "Direct Translation" rule.

Just to keep you up to date on this the support ticket is still showing as "In Queue" so still no definitive answer from Invelos on this 

Tis is essentiall a further argument in support of list what you see, then we need not be concerned about translations and endless discussions. We should stop trying to shoehorn various types data into our system , (it is becoming bogged down and increasingly muddied) and simply move to a system that you list what you see, all such arguments and discussions at that point become totally moot and unnecessary.

Skip

I could be wrong... but what I think Skip is saying above is we should just see if Ken will change the system for Crew and make it like it is for cast... that way all the crew can be as credited in the credits as well. Which BTW, if we went this route I think more people would do crew credits then do now. I know I would be more inclined to do them.

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Which BTW, if we went this route I think more people would do crew credits then do now. I know I would be more inclined to do them.

I think it's the exact opposite - this really seems like a complete horror-scenario te me. What if someone indeed enters the FULL cast of, say, 'Lord of the Rings' (but really: this goes for any movie). Me not being terribly interested in the likes of best boys, gaffers, sign writers and carpenters - I wouldn't want to accept that data into my database. And then the key issue arises: what if the person who entered this made three typos in one of the "main" crew categories that I do track? How will I be able to correct those errors without first accepting the complete crew list into my database? Therein lies the problem, IMHO, and if that's not addressed somehow, I expect crew contributions, apart from initial contributions, to come to a grinding halt rather quickly.

For the record: this problem already affects me right now - I already find myself tracking certain crew categories that I personally don't really care much for, but I found that if I simply don't track them but someone else does, it becomes virtually impossible to contribute any further corrections to the crew section of such a profile. I'm willing to do that now because the number of credits we track is limited, but I'm certainly going to give up when I'm going to have to accept a crew list of thousands, 90% of which I haven't personally verified, into my database before I can contribute a simple "corrected X to Y - as credited" fix.

Also important to realize is that when we'd allow ALL crew to be entered somehow, that essentially means: birth years for everyone. Honestly: if we go down to best boys, gaffers, sign writers and carpenters, you'll find that there are virtually no "unique" names left. The CLT - already a pretty rudimentary tool - would be instantly useless, for instance. Not to mention the tiny percentage of names for which we actually could find a birth year, even if we needed to.

All in all, anything that somehow allows ALL crew into the online database this decidedly seems like a horrible idea. Those who want this, already can, using the custom crew feature - something I personally use extensively, but I can't see it being part of the online database.