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Rating Question Regarding Two Movies on One Disc |
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| Registered: March 18, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,550 |
| | Posted: | | | | So, there's a contribution up that has two movies on one disc but with two different MPAA ratings. One is PG the other is PG13. Currently the rating in the system is NR but the contributor is using the rule that states: Quote:
For DVDs with more than one rating shown (e.g. a DVD which includes an R and Unrated version), use the highest applicable rating with the following scale:
NR < Board Rating < Unrated < Adult.
And thus submitting it as PG-13. Am I correct that when there are two movies on one disc we treat it as a box set and thus "NR" would be correct? Or should it be PG-13? I always assumed the former as it has been done in numerous other profiles but I thought I would ask, perhaps I'm misunderstanding the rules. And in addition, the rule they are quoting is for movies with more than one cut (i.e. Terminator Salvation where one is PG-13, the other is R, and so it is rated R for that profile). | | | | Last edited: by The Movieman |
| | Registered: January 20, 2008 |  Posts: 37 |
| | Posted: | | | | The profile in question is one where two movies are on the same side of a single disc, which prompts the exception in the Box Set rules: Quote:
Exception: More than one movie on a single side of the disc should be entered as a single profile, as you would with TV Series. Use episode dividers for cast and crew. But the box set rules also say: Quote:
If the Box Set has a rating, use it in the profile. If it does not, use NR as the rating. Exception: If any disc in the set is rated Adult, list the set as Adult On the disc in question, the back side of the cover has two ratings printed, one for each movie; one with PG and one with PG13. The way I see it, both the box set rules and the general rules about ratings allows for a rating to be set, and that it should be set to the highest of the two (Board Ratings). Looking through my own collection I found several collections of movies with different ratings between the movies, where the parent was set to the highest in the set, and often the boxes themselves will have a rating printed on the outer box, with the highest of the movie ratings. As for the general rule about ratings, it does not specifically say that it only applies to movies with different cuts, where one is set to a board rating and the other is unrated, it is only listed as an example. The fact is that the "DVD" (actually a Blu-ray) in question DOES have more than one rating shown, and disregarding the example in the parentheses the rule goes on to say that the highest of them should be used. I'll be interested in seeing what the consensus of the board members is, though. But in my opinion the rules are quite clear that a rating is allowed in sets of more than one movie with different ratings, as long as it is showed on the cover, and the one used in the profile is the highest of them. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | The box set itself does not have a rating... There is ratings for each film... but not for the box set Itself. So the rule to use NR comes into effect.
I have seen sets done the way this person is attempting to do it.... and I have always fixed it to NR... with none ever being declined... including the ones with any no votes about it.
Plus I have always voted no to people doing what you are talking about. And as far as memory goes they have always been declined on the ones I voted no to (unless there is a lot of other things done to let the "wrong" info in per invelos' standard practices.
I personally would vote no to the change (I usually just say in my no vote each film has a rating listed but no rating for the box set itself).
I personally would continue voting no to such changes... unless Ken himself said he wanted otherwise. | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: January 20, 2008 | | Posts: 37 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
The box set itself does not have a rating... There is ratings for each film... but not for the box set Itself. So the rule to use NR comes into effect. Two things; 1. This is not a box set. 2. Where is; "the rule to use NR comes into effect"? I have looked through the rules thoroughly and I cannot find anything anywhere that specifically says that a NR rating should be used in a box with several movies with different ratings. Besides; see 1; this is not a box set. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,279 |
| | Posted: | | | | The NR rating for box sets comes from the box set rules. Quote:
If the Box Set has a rating, use it in the profile. If it does not, use NR as the rating. Exception: If any disc in the set is rated Adult, list the set as Adult As for this not being a box set it's not clear from the original post as to whether the films are on a single or double sided disc. If they are both on one side then it's not a box set and should be set to PG13 if on two sides then it should be a parent box set profile with NR and individual child profiles with their respective ratings. The rule quoted just gives a rated and unrated versions as an example, not an exhaustive list, it relies on common sense, oh wait..... | | | | IVS Registered: January 2, 2002 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Actually it is a box set per rules as the rules say Quote:
The term "Box Set" is used to define any release that includes more than one film. The main examples are:
Sets where each film is packaged individually, and held together in a package of some kind.
Sets where each film is on a separate disc, but not individually packaged. This includes gatefold Digipaks and 2-Disc sets in normal DVD cases.
Sets containing 2 films, one on each side of Dual-Sided DVD. And not that the rules say the listed is the MAIN examples... not the only examples. The exception being quoted is only there so we can have the cast/crew etc. in the profile for the sets where more then one film is on a single side. As before the exception doing it per the rules would have meant basically empty profiles. Most info not allowed in the main profile. So once again yes... this is still a box set. | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Lithurge: Quote:
The NR rating for box sets comes from the box set rules.
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If the Box Set has a rating, use it in the profile. If it does not, use NR as the rating. Exception: If any disc in the set is rated Adult, list the set as Adult
As for this not being a box set it's not clear from the original post as to whether the films are on a single or double sided disc.
If they are both on one side then it's not a box set and should be set to PG13 if on two sides then it should be a parent box set profile with NR and individual child profiles with their respective ratings.
The rule quoted just gives a rated and unrated versions as an example, not an exhaustive list, it relies on common sense, oh wait..... Actually... as I just showed above... yes it is still a box set per rules. | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,279 |
| | Posted: | | | | Normally I'm not one for saying the rules don't allow something, but...
How exactly do you follow the box set rules as set out with two films on a single sided disc?
The answer is you can't as the parent should have minimal details and there should be two child profiles with the individual film details. With only one disc id this is impossible, so no this is not an unlisted example it's a case of the mechanics of profiler not allowing it as the rules can't be followed. | | | | IVS Registered: January 2, 2002 |
| | Registered: January 20, 2008 | | Posts: 37 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
Actually it is a box set per rules as the rules say
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The term "Box Set" is used to define any release that includes more than one film. The main examples are:
Sets where each film is packaged individually, and held together in a package of some kind.
Sets where each film is on a separate disc, but not individually packaged. This includes gatefold Digipaks and 2-Disc sets in normal DVD cases.
Sets containing 2 films, one on each side of Dual-Sided DVD.
And not that the rules say the listed is the MAIN examples... not the only examples.
The exception being quoted is only there so we can have the cast/crew etc. in the profile for the sets where more then one film is on a single side. As before the exception doing it per the rules would have meant basically empty profiles. Most info not allowed in the main profile.
So once again yes... this is still a box set. The exception reads: Quote:
Exception: More than one movie on a single side of the disc should be entered as a single profile, as you would with TV Series. Use episode dividers for cast and crew. Where in this exception does it say that the exception only applies to cast and crew? It clearly says that in these cases everything should be entered as a single profile, but that cast and crew should be differentiated by dividers. And in a single profile, a rating is allowed. Also, the box set rules about ratings says: Quote:
If the Box Set has a rating, use it in the profile. If it does not, use NR as the rating. Exception: If any disc in the set is rated Adult, list the set as Adult So if we for the sake of argument accepts your claim that this is still a box set, then let's apply the rule above: 1. Does the box set have a rating? Answer: yes, in fact it has two. 2. Since it does have a rating, the exception of using a NR rating is void. 3. Is one of the movies rated as Adult? Answer: no. Conclusion; you are allowed to add a rating to the parent, since a rating is printed on the box set. Since there are two, you then have to look to the general rule about ratings, which says: Quote:
For DVDs with more than one rating shown (e.g. a DVD which includes an R and Unrated version), use the highest applicable rating with the following scale:
NR < Board Rating < Unrated < Adult. In this case two Board Ratings are listed, and the rule is then adamant that the highest of those should be used. In fact, the rule clearly says that NR is the least preferred rating in a profile, which I take as a hint that it shouldn't be used if avoidable. |
| | Registered: January 20, 2008 | | Posts: 37 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Lithurge: Quote:
Normally I'm not one for saying the rules don't allow something, but...
How exactly do you follow the box set rules as set out with two films on a single sided disc?
The answer is you can't as the parent should have minimal details and there should be two child profiles with the individual film details. With only one disc id this is impossible, so no this is not an unlisted example it's a case of the mechanics of profiler not allowing it as the rules can't be followed. Thanks. But as I read it, even a parent profile in a true box set would have been allowed by the rules to have a rating set. Is there a rating printed on the box? Yes there is, so it is allowed to use it in the parent profile! |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Lithurge: Quote:
Normally I'm not one for saying the rules don't allow something, but...
How exactly do you follow the box set rules as set out with two films on a single sided disc?
The answer is you can't as the parent should have minimal details and there should be two child profiles with the individual film details. With only one disc id this is impossible, so no this is not an unlisted example it's a case of the mechanics of profiler not allowing it as the rules can't be followed. Exactly.... but that is the reason the exception had to be put in. A cetain user was throwing it in our faces that we were being hypocritical stating to always follow the rules... but per the rules these box sets couldn't have cast and crew and a lot of other things... so we were forced to put it in there only so we wouldn't have to hear it any longer. | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,279 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting cartman76: Quote:
Quoting Lithurge:
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Normally I'm not one for saying the rules don't allow something, but...
How exactly do you follow the box set rules as set out with two films on a single sided disc?
The answer is you can't as the parent should have minimal details and there should be two child profiles with the individual film details. With only one disc id this is impossible, so no this is not an unlisted example it's a case of the mechanics of profiler not allowing it as the rules can't be followed.
Thanks.
But as I read it, even a parent profile in a true box set would have been allowed by the rules to have a rating set. Is there a rating printed on the box? Yes there is, so it is allowed to use it in the parent profile! Yes and that's what I said in my previous post about this point, the one you've quoted relates to Addicted's point about this being a boxset.  | | | | IVS Registered: January 2, 2002 |
| | Registered: January 20, 2008 | | Posts: 37 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
Exactly.... but that is the reason the exception had to be put in. A cetain user was throwing it in our faces that we were being hypocritical stating to always follow the rules... but per the rules these box sets couldn't have cast and crew and a lot of other things... so we were forced to put it in there only so we wouldn't have to hear it any longer. I'm all for following the rules. I just don't see it anywhere in the rules that adding a rating to a box set is NOT allowed, and that a NR rating should be set. By no-voting this without giving a valid source from the rules you are actually being hypocritical stating that the rules are what YOU say they are, not what is actually written, and by doing so you're keeping perfectly legit profile data out of the profiles. Even a box set parent profile is allowed to have a rating according to the rules, as long as one is printed on the box, and there is NO exception written in the rules that a box with more than one rating defaults a NR rating. In fact the rules clearly says that a NR rating is defaulted ONLY WHEN NO RATING IS PRINTED ON THE BOX. And since the box set rules aren't clear as to what to do in the case of a box with more than one rating printed, the only logical thing to do is to look at the rules about ratings elsewhere, which is perfectly clear about it: use the highest rating. You say to follow the rules, but none of you are actually showing us where exactly in the rules it is shown that this is wrong. If you're so sure that this is wrong in accordance to the rules, please show it! |
| | Registered: January 20, 2008 | | Posts: 37 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Lithurge: Quote:
Yes and that's what I said in my previous post about this point, the one you've quoted relates to Addicted's point about this being a boxset. My point is that: - If this IS a box set, the box set rules allow for a rating to be used in the parent profile, if a rating is printed on the box (it is). - If this IS NOT a box set, the general profile rules allow for a rating to be used in the profile, if one is printed on the cover (it is). In other words, no matter how you define a profile with two movies on the same side of a single disc, the rules allow for a rating to be used in the profile as long as it is printed on the cover. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,279 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
Quoting Lithurge:
Quote:
Normally I'm not one for saying the rules don't allow something, but...
How exactly do you follow the box set rules as set out with two films on a single sided disc?
The answer is you can't as the parent should have minimal details and there should be two child profiles with the individual film details. With only one disc id this is impossible, so no this is not an unlisted example it's a case of the mechanics of profiler not allowing it as the rules can't be followed.
Exactly.... but that is the reason the exception had to be put in. A cetain user was throwing it in our faces that we were being hypocritical stating to always follow the rules... but per the rules these box sets couldn't have cast and crew and a lot of other things... so we were forced to put it in there only so we wouldn't have to hear it any longer. I'm sorry but I really don't follow you on this point? That exception isn't about making this a box set, it simply stops trolling and allows us to enter the cast and crew of two or more films on a single sided disc into one profile. Maybe we have a different definition of box set? For me a box set has a parent profile with minimal detail and two or more child profiles. A box set is not a single profile with two lots of cast and crew. | | | | IVS Registered: January 2, 2002 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,279 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting cartman76: Quote:
Quoting Lithurge:
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Yes and that's what I said in my previous post about this point, the one you've quoted relates to Addicted's point about this being a boxset.
My point is that:
- If this IS a box set, the box set rules allow for a rating to be used in the parent profile, if a rating is printed on the box (it is).
- If this IS NOT a box set, the general profile rules allow for a rating to be used in the profile, if one is printed on the cover (it is).
In other words, no matter how you define a profile with two movies on the same side of a single disc, the rules allow for a rating to be used in the profile as long as it is printed on the cover. If this is a single sided disc it's not a box set so your point isn't relevant, as it's entered as a single profile and the highest rating listed applies. As for true box sets I've never seen one which has more than one rating on the box, there might be different ratings on the individual cases/discs, but it's what's on the box that counts. Should there be a true box set that lists multiple ratings on the outside, then you could argue either way to use the NR or highest rating rule. I can see the argument for doing it each way, arguably using the highest rating is more useful as it gives people an idea of what they're getting. NR is fairly useless as it covers anything the distributor can't be bothered with submitting to the MPAA, so it could be full on nudity, violence and gore or it could be a couple of extra innocent scenes in a kid friendly movie. | | | | IVS Registered: January 2, 2002 |
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