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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorscotthm
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If the only writing credit for a film is "Original Screen Play by" should that be contributed to the online database as "Writer"?  I thought the crew table says "no", but I've been declined twice now for contributing "Original Screen Play by" as "screenwriter".  Am I misunderstanding the table?

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Rule :
The table below gives each of the crew roles available within DVD Profiler. For each category, include only those people credited with the roles listed in the "Role" and "Credited As" columns.
"Original Screen Play by" is not in the list. This cannot be contributed without bending rules.
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The fact that this role is preceded by 'Original' does not mean we should exclude it from a profile.

Screenplay by = Screenwriter and so does this credit; and anyone who thinks it shouldn't is wrong.
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Not quite sure if I understand the credit correctly.

Does it mean that the screenplay got adapted from another screenplay (Remake?), or does it mean that the screenplay was originally written for this film?

Case A would be "OMB"
Case B would actually be "Writer", but since explicitly mentioned as "Screenwriter", I'd probably enter him/her as such.
It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?


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Quoting Pantheon:
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The fact that this role is preceded by 'Original' does not mean we should exclude it from a profile.

Screenplay by = Screenwriter and so does this credit; and anyone who thinks it shouldn't is wrong.


I agree, at most we could debate whether the credit is Original material by or simply screenwriter

EDIT: OK Lewis_Prothero said this better.
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Quoting Pantheon:
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The fact that this role is preceded by 'Original' does not mean we should exclude it from a profile.

Not sure what means only in English... For me, the rule is cristal clear, specially since many listed roles have "original" and/or "by", which is not the case for screenplay.
As usual, people who say to other users that they have to follow rules think this doesn't apply to themselves.
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The fact that this role is preceded by 'Original' does not mean we should exclude it from a profile.

Not sure what means only in English... For me, the rule is cristal clear, specially since many listed roles have "original" and/or "by", which is not the case for screenplay.
As usual, people who say to other users that they have to follow rules think this doesn't apply to themselves.


Nice dig. You're so pleasant.

Anyway, unless I'm mistaken you seem to be saying that the following would NOT be included in a profile:

Screenplay by
Teleplay by
Original Screenplay by

The reason? Because the word 'by' is included, or Original.
While I may support many of your views regarding the shortcomings and issues with Profiler, Surfeur, on this one you're on your own.

To exclude an entry because the words 'by' or 'original' are included is taking the letter of the rules to the extreme.

By you're thinking the following wouldn't be included either:
Sound Editing by
Sound Recording by
Cinematography by
Original Story by
Sound by
Production Design by

Really? Is that what you want for the program?

If so, and if others support this lunacy I can promise you one thing: I will no longer contribute to Profiler. Actually, I'd probably find another program to use and leave the lunatics to the asylum.
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The fact that this role is preceded by 'Original' does not mean we should exclude it from a profile.

Screenplay by = Screenwriter and so does this credit; and anyone who thinks it shouldn't is wrong.


I agree, at most we could debate whether the credit is Original material by or simply screenwriter

EDIT: OK Lewis_Prothero said this better.


Disagree.

An Original Screenplay is exactly what it says -  a screenplay that is not based on any other work. It's Original. It's a screenplay. Therefore it was written directly for the screen. But, because the onscreen credit doesn't say 'Written by' we can't use Writer. So, as it's a screenplay that's what we use.
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No question in my mind, and absolutely allowed per rules: B: Screenwriter.
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Sound Editing by
Sound Recording by
Cinematography by
Original Story by
Sound by
Production Design by

Really? Is that what you want for the program?

I've never said this is what I want for the program. This is just what I'm said to do in other fields that has much importance for me, and probably not for those who prefer I enter crap instead correct data.
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Sound Editing by
Sound Recording by
Cinematography by
Original Story by
Sound by
Production Design by

Really? Is that what you want for the program?

I've never said this is what I want for the program. This is just what I'm said to do in other fields that has much importance for me, and probably not for those who prefer I enter crap instead correct data.


So, if this is not what you want why post your comment?

What happens in other fields within the program is irrelevant to this discussion.

Take each field you have an issue with an open a debate about it. Fight for your viewpoint; but, be willing to concede to the majority opinion.
I never have a problem with listening to others and changing my behaviour accordingly.

There is always a choice - as I stated if other users wanted to go down the route you seemed to be implying then I have a choice: continue to use Profiler or don't.
You have the same choice - if you are so disgruntled that you feel the need to sabotage discussions that have nothing to do with your issues regarding Profiler; then it's probably time to cut bait.
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So, if this is not what you want why post your comment?


That's easy:
Provocation!
It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?


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Provocation!


If this is true - and I'm not saying it is....I find that quite sad actually. 
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There is no provocation, just a need of consistent attitude towards rules. And I have said how I read the part of them that I quoted. Now, we are not discussing of the program which allows to do locally what we want, but what we introduce in the online database, so the choice is not continue to use Profiler or don't.
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But once again you are contradicting yourself.

You stated in your first post that: Original Screenplay by should not be included because this role is not listed in the contribution rules.

Your reasoning for this is because the rules state only 'Screenplay' and that the inclusion of the words 'Original' and 'by' mean this credit should not be included.

Following this logic, I listed further roles from the rules that do not include the word 'by' and asked if you wanted to exclude those to.

You state that you don't want that to happen.

So, which is it?
Which of these roles do you want included and which don't you?
You state that you want a consistent attitude; but you cannot seem to express yourself in a consistent manner in this thread?

The rest of us are consistent. Everyone agrees that all these roles should be included in a profile.

Now...if you were simply posting in this thread to be pedantic and make a point because, in the past, your view has been dismissed, then I'm sorry to say you lose all credibility in my eyes.

If you have a serious issue with the opening post - with the actual matter at hand - then by all means express yourself clearly. However, if your issue relates to your feelings on other matters I would request that you abstain from posting; as all you do is cloud the issue and confuse the readers. Many thanks.

Also, I would suggest you open an exclusive thread regarding the issues you have so that you can talk about them at length in a thread dedicated to them.
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There will never be rules that cover every situation - that is just not possible.

Although invelos may not step in as frequently as we might like Ken has weighed in and clarified issues that the community has raised.

If an issue has been brought to the forums hundreds of times without any effect - that seems to me to be a waste of time and energy.

I don't have a problem with people expressing their viewpoint. But, I must admit I am tired of reading the same things over and over again.
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