Unfortunely, it's not exactly spelled out in the rules, but Invelos has clarified how we're to deal with this in the forums. These contributions are very much needed to cut down on the CLT counting TV credits dozens of times because of different season indicators. The whole matter was settled by Gerri Cole, and that discussion, including links to the original thread, is posted in the pinned "Collected Statements from Invelos on contribution discussions"-thread right here.

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I cannot see how use of the Original Title field adds anything to the database in these cases.

What it adds, is that, say, 'Frasier: Het Complete Tweede Seizoen' (Dutch release) and 'Frasier: The Complete Second Season' (US) aren't counted as two separate titles by the CLT, thereby throwing off the CLT numbers for everyone involved.

Of course, a better solution would be to move the season indicator to it's own, separate field, and then ignore that field as far as the CLT is concerned, but until then, these original titles are badly needed.

I've been seeing these too and voting No every time.

As far as I am concerned the Original Title should be the title of the show without the season indicator as that's what appears on screen. Therefore, utilizing the modified title rule.

I've never watched a TV show that has 'Title: Season 2' in the credits; it's always just the title.

Also, if only the title was used in the Original Title field this would address the issue T!M is talking about - at least I think it does.

I see it as the Title is, in the case of TV seasons, the bit *before* the ':' that separates out the season information. The bit after the ':' is not part of the title, just using the title field for convenience and to match what is on the cover.

Since the bit before the ':' is the same for the Title and Original Title (assuming both are in English) then I believe it unnecessary to put anything in the Original Title field, unless the on-screen title differs from that on the box (before the ':')

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But, doesn't the modified title trump everything else?

The "Modified Title" rule says something about films where the DVD title differs from the film title. Specifically, it says:

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Modified Titles: The Original Title field will contain the original theatrical title, while the Title field will contain the title of the DVD release.  For instance, for the Special Edition rerelease of There's Something About Mary:
- Title: There's Something More About Mary
- Original Title: There's Something About Mary

That's all well and good, but you're applying this to something entirely different: translated season indicators on TV show season sets. There's nothing about that in the "Modified Title" rule. There's nothing about TV there, nothing about season sets, nothing about season indicators, and certainly nothing about translated season indicators, which is what this is about. All in all, the "Modified Title" doesn't help us here. Since you weren't the only one who didn't understand what this meant for TV sets, we asked - and got! - clarification from Gerri Cole. Well, this is it.

You'll find that the outcome looks more at the "Foreign Films" rule than the "Modified Title" rule. The "Foreign Film" rule says: "The Original Title field will contain the original title for the main feature in the country of origin." And that's what we do: the Original Title in the country of origin for that particular 'Frasier' season set that I used as an example earlier, is 'Frasier: The Complete Second Season', so that's what we add as Original Title to every other DVD set for the second season of 'Frasier' out there, ensuring that the CLT all counts them as one.

Again, I'd be perfectly happy to just put the show's title in the "Original Title" field, without a season indicator, but that's not what Invelos has told us to do.

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So would Miami Vice still be Miami Vice in France or would it be Deux flics à Miami (sorry if that's wrong...I used Babelfish).

It's actually correct, but the easier way is to use Wikipedia and it's language links.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami_Vice via Français to http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deux_flics_%C3%A0_Miami.

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Quoting Voltaire53:

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Since the bit before the ':' is the same for the Title and Original Title (assuming both are in English) then I believe it unnecessary to put anything in the Original Title field

It's necessary to ensure that the CLT counts a TV season once, instead of counting, say, 'Frasier: Het Complete Tweede Seizoen' (Dutch release) and 'Frasier: The Complete Second Season' (US) as two different titles. And not just two different titles, but dozens: one for every time the season indicator is translated into a different language. That's why this is necessary.

Yes, yes and yes!!! That is exactly my point. I've even put that in my notes. Having 1 original title for CSI: Crime Scene Investigation: The Tenth Season is necessary (even required) to prevent this: If the Original Title was just CSI: Crime Scene Investigation, then George Eads would have 1 title credit for 12 seasons of this show. Or, if each season were left to the locality's language, then Season 10 would be counting as multiple titles, when it is NOT.

While I agree for the most part... another thing that must be considered.. and I believe this would need a program change to fix... is for those that uses the original title as their list title.

For example... I been watching a lot of Buffy the Vampire Slayer right now....

If we used only Buffy the Vampire Slayer alone in the original title someone that has all seasons (or even more then one season) will have the same title for all 7 listings. Make that 8 if they also have the film version. I know I wouldn't want my list to look like...

Buffy the Vampire Slayer
Buffy the Vampire Slayer
Buffy the Vampire Slayer
Buffy the Vampire Slayer
Buffy the Vampire Slayer
Buffy the Vampire Slayer
Buffy the Vampire Slayer
Buffy the Vampire Slayer

My use of the Original Title:
I never had occasion to use them from US TV series, although I have seen them as Addicted2DVD listed.
If get one from down loading a profile, if I think about it I remove them.


but for non English titles:
Keep Case for discs 1-3
Title: The Young Montalbano: Episodes 1-3  (from the cover, disc, or translated subtitles on the screen)
Original Title: Il giovane Montalbano  (from the film)

child profiles:
Title:The Young Montalbano: The First Case (from the cover, disc, or translated subtitles on the screen)
Sort title: Young Montalbano: Episodes 1
Original title: Il giovane Montalbano: La prima indagine di Montalbano (from the film)

The Young Montalbano: New Year's Eve
Young Montalbano: Episodes 2
Il giovane Montalbano: Capodanno

The Young Montalbano: Back to Basics
Young Montalbano: Episodes 3
Il giovane Montalbano: Ritorno alle origini

Keep case for discs 4-6
The Young Montalbano: Episodes 4-6
Title: Il giovane Montalbano

child profiles:
The Young Montalbano: Mortally Wounded
Young Montalbano: Episodes 4
Il giovane Montalbano: Ferito a morte

The Young Montalbano: The Third Secret
Young Montalbano: Episodes 5
Il giovane Montalbano: Il terzo segreto

The Young Montalbano: Seven Mondays
Young Montalbano: Episodes 6
Il giovane Montalbano: Sette lunedì

This works for discs with one episode
but for disc with multiple episodes i have the English episode titile with original title in the overview.
I have about 200 of these and have not completed them all. When I first started collecting them I was not sure as to how I wanted to handle them.