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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | I am updating the child profiles of True Blood: Season 1... I am getting no votes because I am adding alternate disc IDs for these child profiles. The no votes say I must create a whole new profile for these alternate disc IDs. And I truly believe the rules do not call for this. Here is the way I see it through the rules... Rules Quote 1: Quote:
These rules apply to all kinds of profiles, but there are two special cases where the rules need clarifications. Where you see the icons shown below, refer to the special instructions at the end of this document. These are titled Movie Box sets and TV Series on DVD.
Box sets containing more than one film
TV Series on DVD
Note: The standard rules do apply for these special cases; the sections clarify specific ways the rules apply to box sets and television series on DVD. Note what I put in bold.... standard rules still apply to these where not clarified. Quote:
Disc-level Profiles
Individual profiles for each disc may be submitted if desired, but this is not required. Add these profiles to the box set contents of the parent profile. Create each of these individual profiles in line with the standard Contribution Rules with one exception - Cover Images. If a disc, or set of discs, have their own case, use the cover images from that case. When submitting a change to an existing TV series profile that is currently a box set, do not remove the existing contents.
In either case, the cast and crew are to be entered into the parent profile using appropriate episode dividers. There is no mention of alternate disc IDs in the TV Series rules. Only says to make child profiles in line with the standard rules. (as I put in bold) And the standard rules say... Quote:
If your Disc ID differs from the Disc ID in the main database, you may change it and re-contribute it. All Disc IDs are stored in the main database and are used for disc identification within DVD Profiler. Why in the world would we want multiple profiles for every alternate disc ID to child profiles for TV Series?.... 1. We would be bloating the online database with many profiles that are exactly the same... when we can have (as the rules state now) all the alternate disc IDs pointing to the 1 profile. 2. What about the box set content field? We could have countless child profiles in this field when it isn't needed. It makes no sense what so ever to create these additional child profiles when we can do as the rules point to now and have all the alternate disc IDs point to the right child profile. And save a lot of room in the main database. I have done it this way with several sets and never had a problem with this before. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: October 6, 2008 | | Posts: 1,932 |
| | Posted: | | | | Are there really that many variant Disc IDs? I would think that the majority would be to correct errors, so maybe they should be new profiles. Beyond that, I have no dog in this hunt. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Of course there is many alternate disc IDs... same for single movie releases. Which is the reason we have the quoted rule. It happens all the time! As it says in the rules... Ken even wants all these disc IDs.... Rules Quote: Quote:
If your Disc ID differs from the Disc ID in the main database, you may change it and re-contribute it. All Disc IDs are stored in the main database and are used for disc identification within DVD Profiler. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 16, 2007 | | Posts: 278 |
| | Posted: | | | | You're adding a new Disc ID to a child profile only identified by Disc ID. This is exactly like adding a cover scan that has a different UPC from the profile ID. You're also doing everyone who owns the same disc ID as you a disservice because they're no longer able to track their child profiles using the their Disc ID. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | I don't see it that way at all. This is actually exactly the same as a single movie with alternate disc IDs.
I am not doing a disservice to anyone... once accepted these will all point to the correct profile. And until you put the disc into your drive you have no idea if the disc ID in the profile matches the one on your disc.
This is no different then any other DVD in your collection.... whether a single movie release, a box set or a child profile.
And it won't change in your local... as profiler automatically locks the disc ID when you put your disc in and set the disc ID.
I will once again ask for you (anyone) to point me to the Rule I am breaking here. I am following the rules exactly as I read them. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,217 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
I am updating the child profiles of True Blood: Season 1... I am getting no votes because I am adding alternate disc IDs for these child profiles. Where exactly? As the primary key of the child-profile or in the Discs-Section of the profile? The first would create a new profile, the latter seems to be okay, although I'm not 100% sure if this doesn't hamper the finding of this profile under the "original" DiskID. Also what about the parent? cya, Mithi | | | | Mithi's little XSLT tinkering - the power of XML --- DVD-Profiler Mini-Wiki |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | I submitted a support ticket to try to get an official ruling... if Ken states he wants an additional profile in the database for every single alternate disc ID I will be happy to do so... but till that time I will follow the rules as I read them.
If you can point me to a rule that says to create the new profiles per disc ID I will be happy to follow it. But I do not see it... so please point me to it. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Mithi: Quote:
Quoting Addicted2DVD:
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I am updating the child profiles of True Blood: Season 1... I am getting no votes because I am adding alternate disc IDs for these child profiles.
Where exactly?
As the primary key of the child-profile or in the Discs-Section of the profile?
The first would create a new profile, the latter seems to be okay, although I'm not 100% sure if this doesn't hamper the finding of this profile under the "original" DiskID.
Also what about the parent?
cya, Mithi In the disc section of the profile. It doesn't hamper the finding of the profile under the "original" Disc ID any more then adding an alternate disc ID to any movie release. Which we are told to do in the rules. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | As for the parent... it don't effect it.... as the main identifier stays the same... but the same can't be said if I have to create a whole new profile for every alternate Disc ID I come across. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: June 12, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,665 |
| | Posted: | | | | The Disc IDs for Disc ID-based profiles shouldn't be changed. It's implicit that a Disc ID profile retain the original Disc ID. If later, alternate Disc IDs come out then new profiles for those disc IDs should be created.
1) Space required for additional ID profiles is trivial, so that isn't an issue
2) Box Set content for the parent is limited to the original child profiles the same way as original Audio, Overview, Images, etc. Alternate child profiles shouldn't replace original one nor be added as additional profiles.
3) Alternate Disc IDs can and should be added to the parent.
When i've encountered alternate Disc IDs i create the profiles and submit them and use them, locally. They are also then available for anyone else that might need them.
I update the Disc IDs in the parent but never try and change the original child profiles, nor do i replace or add links between the original child profiles and the parent. | | | | Bad movie? You're soaking in it! |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,217 |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting tweeter: Quote:
The Disc IDs for Disc ID-based profiles shouldn't be changed. It's implicit that a Disc ID profile retain the original Disc ID. If later, alternate Disc IDs come out then new profiles for those disc IDs should be created.
1) Space required for additional ID profiles is trivial, so that isn't an issue
2) Box Set content for the parent is limited to the original child profiles the same way as original Audio, Overview, Images, etc. Alternate child profiles shouldn't replace original one nor be added as additional profiles.
3) Alternate Disc IDs can and should be added to the parent.
When i've encountered alternate Disc IDs i create the profiles and submit them and use them, locally. They are also then available for anyone else that might need them.
I update the Disc IDs in the parent but never try and change the original child profiles, nor do i replace or add links between the original child profiles and the parent. Tweeter... please show me where you come to this conclusion within the rules. I have asked this multiple times... yet no one seems to want to show me how they come to this conclusion Per the Rules. It is sounding more and more to me like a personal preference... where I showed in the original post how I came about this from the actual Rules. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Mithi: Quote:
Quoting Addicted2DVD:
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In the disc section of the profile.
#wise beard-scratching# In This case I 'd think this is okay.
cya, Mithi Thanks... I personally think it is more then okay... I think it is what the rules actually tell us to do. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 16, 2007 | | Posts: 278 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
Tweeter... please show me where you come to this conclusion within the rules. I have asked this multiple times... yet no one seems to want to show me how they come to this conclusion Per the Rules.
Strict adherence to the rules should not eschew common sense. Clearly you've identified a condition that the rules don't address, and hopefully the rules committee will address this. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | What I am doing is also exactly what common sense tells me to do. Common sense tells me not to make a load of additional profiles when all we have to do is add these alternate ids to the existing profile.
Plus I believe this is covered... covered no differently then most the items in the rules. It says as plain as day to use the standard rules for TV series Child profiles... and the standard rules say to add alternate disc IDs as I did. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: June 12, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,665 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
What I am doing is also exactly what common sense tells me to do. Common sense tells me not to make a load of additional profiles when all we have to do is add these alternate ids to the existing profile.
Plus I believe this is covered... covered no differently then most the items in the rules. It says as plain as day to use the standard rules for TV series Child profiles... and the standard rules say to add alternate disc IDs as I did. The Disc ID is the fundamental identifier (the key) of these child discs and to change it within the same child profile would only sow confusion. This is a gap not covered by the rules as i read them. Common sense tells me to create additional profiles for the alternate Disc IDs. It really is trivial in most cases. | | | | Bad movie? You're soaking in it! |
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