I was affraid of it and I was right so we have to clarify now the way that we should contribute to this new feature and I beleive correctly.

First of all we have to understand that most of 3D Blu-ray release are box set meaning that we are facing many profil in one package but the approach of it should be the same as the audio rules for many medium format as Blu-ray Dvd combo pack. We have to go with the main profil here the BD. Why not do the same for Dimensions? We can easely contribute for the main feature disc being 3D only and then for the BD child profil then put the 2D.

Now here what I propose to make sure that it is clear to all of us.

1. If the box set is a 3D release including a 2D version whatever regarding the format the main profils is the 3D disc so only 3D if the disc can only play on a 3D equipment (you ge a message that the disc cannot be played on regular equipment) Exeption as the rules says if the main feature as both like Tron Legacy wich as a 2D part then switch to 3D here both apply.

2. How to sort them? That is easy. If a disc can be played on both kind of player 3D and 2D then both dimensions can be selected. If only the 3D version can be watch on a 3D equipments only 3D should be selected.

3. For the rest of the box set we should apply the proper dimension for those one in child profils but never includ them in the mail profil  like the audio contribution same title different media.

Some examples here: The release of Tron Legacy is a good one. Both 2D and 3D must be checked as a very good segment of the movie is in 2D to switch later on in 3D and switch back at the end in 2D.

Another release the first release of Disney Bolt in 3D or Alice in Wonderland as incentives. If you try to play them on regular 2D equipments you get a message saying that the disc cannot be played 3D apply here.

Rio 3D the Blu-ray 3D disc carries both the 2D and 3D and can be played on any player both dimensions can be selected.

If we take in consideration the the audio contribution separate the main feature with the companion disc, we should do the same then with the dimensions contribution.

Please disregard the poll my mistake didn't use it correctly

Wow, I assume this poll will result in a 100% to the one and only given choice...

Not saying which is correct... but I would point out that the rules also say...

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For the dimension option, consider only the feature content, including all included variants of the feature content. Do not consider bonus features such as documentaries. Check all boxes that apply.

See what I put in bold... so the argument can be made that the rules do tell use to check all. Also for DVD profiler's use Blu-ray 3D is not considered a whole different media type. It was decided to add to formats only.

As other have said....

Having profiled many of these this is what has been agreed upon for 3D/BD/DVD combo sets.  I also have participated in many of the discussion threads made about this.

All child profiles are optional so that needs to be considered

The main profile should be the 3D
Child profiles for the BD/DVD

The main profile should contain all dimensions in the set since the children are optional as well as all features in the set. Basically a union of the data in HD media except for the audio and subtitles.  The audio cannot be merged since there is an explicit rule stating that the order of the tracks must be the order they are encoded on the disc image.

There are some that feel that even the audio data should be merged, but that brings to the issues of the order of the tracks as well as the fact that people may be using these profiles for purchasing decisions and it is not uncommon for differences to be between the releases.  So the safest approach until we get a different clarification from Ken is to not merge the audio since that would violate a different rule on ordering. At the time this was being discussed we were wanting a clarification from Ken, but never got one.


The child profiles as far as features/audoi/subtitles/dimensions should only contain what are on those individual discs.  The children are optional from the perspective of people are not required to use them unlike a multi-film box set.

I asked for a clarification earlier to be placed in the rules when they were up for discussion.  But none were added.

I think the audio should be merged. List the tracks in order how they appear on the 3D first, then list any additional 2D tracks after. Like you said, people make purchasing decisions based on this, so you shouldn't leave out tracks that are in the set.

This situation is different. For a BD/DVD combo, we create a child profile for the DVD only. For a BD/BD3D combo, we create child profiles for both. Our current standards don't consider either of them to be the main profile and thus not in need of a child. This really should be in contribution rules, though.

Quoting Ace_of_Sevens:

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This situation is different. For a BD/DVD combo, we create a child profile for the DVD only. For a BD/BD3D combo, we create child profiles for both. Our current standards don't consider either of them to be the main profile and thus not in need of a child. This really should be in contribution rules, though.

Like you said it should be clarified in the rules.  Or at the very least in the clarrifications thread on exactly how to handle these.

As far as whether we put all HD audio tracks in the main profile or not I personally do not care. 

What I do care about is we cannot tell people to violate the audio ordering rule by merging them unless we get guidence from Invelos.  Which is why we have been doing them like I said.  The 3D parent has a union of the HD data except the audio is for the 3D disc only

Quoting Ace_of_Sevens:

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I think the audio should be merged. List the tracks in order how they appear on the 3D first, then list any additional 2D tracks after. Like you said, people make purchasing decisions based on this, so you shouldn't leave out tracks that are in the set.

But at the same point you can look at it the other way.  If they are looking for particular tracks and wanting to know if they can watch it in 3D with that track or subtitle you lose that in merging them.

No matter which is decided I think we all agree the 3D is the parent since that is what really differentiates the 3D/BD/DVD release from the BD/DVD combo and why they are selecting that one

It is really a clarification and decision Ken needs to make.