I would list the credits as they appear in the episodes.

Many TV episodes credit regular cast members who may not have appeared in that particular episode.  We don't exclude them just because they're not present.  However, it would be nice if we could flag them as "not present".

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I should add that hypothetically, if we did have a not-present flag, I would support separate credits, because then the credits as-entered would have meaningfully differentiated data. As the program stands today, I see no point.

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Entering credits in the standard way is avoiding "needless complexity".

If something non-standard is done someone will come back and fix it, and be justified in doing it.  Best option is to just repeat the credits for each episode.

The upside is if episodes are the same credit-wise they should be easy to enter. Enter once then Paste Append, repeat.

Credits counts and the CLT are not impacted and it reduces confusion.

Ace,

However the contribution in question is making a correction based on the rules which seem pretty cleaar to me unless I am interpreting them wrong.

Complete Series/Season & Anthologies of Episodes:
Enter Cast and Crew for each episode using standard rules, and insert dividers to separate each episode's credit list from the others. Do not list Cast and Crew outside of the dividers even if they are credited in all episodes

The way I read this, not having the dividers is incorrect and against the rules.  Especially since each episode has end credits.

Now I can see why one might think it's "pointless", but in my opinion that is what the rules require.

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My claim is that a miniseries, at least in this case, isn't a TV series: It's a TV movie that was too long to show on one night, so TV series rules don't apply.

So what you are saying is we should all go and in every TV mini series take out the episdode dividers because "It's a TV movie that was too long to show on one night" like "Band of Brothers", "The Pacific", "Mildred Pierce" to just name a few.

Or is it you just want an exception because this one happens to credit the same cast after each episode?

The rule seems clear to me the way it is written and becuase of this section "Do not list Cast and Crew outside of the dividers even if they are credited in all episodes" they cannot be listed outide of dividers.

Personally the way I read the rule it is clear that the dividers are a requirement.

But I would think that if exceptions like this are made, maybe they should be posted in the "Contribution Rules Committee" forum and get the rule ammended/changed.

But at least how I read the current rule set,  the contribution enforces the current rule set and the previous way it was violated it.

If the makers saw fit to treat them like an episodic TV series, I think we should treat them as such. (From a look through my collection, it looks like most series that air in a four-hour slot or less don't bother with separate credits and longer ones do, but this isn't universally true.) If they didn't, then we should treat them as a movie. There's no obvious reason miniseries should all be given the same treatment. This is the way things have usually been handled. Other examples in the DB that currently list only one set of credits include the US Blu-ray versions of 10.5 Apocalypse, The Final Days of Planet Earth and Jules Verne's Mysterious Island and the DVD versions of Alice in Wonderland, Cleopatra, Merlin, Noah's Ark, Arabian Nights, Jason and the Argonauts, The Lost Empire, Moby Dick and The Odyssey.

This isn't a case where there is a standard way of doing things and I'm saying we should ignore the standard or change it. The majority of cases seem to be done the way I'm advocating, though there are lots of exceptions. I'm saying that precedent leans my way and that this way makes more sense. If you want to list duplicate credits for everything, that's fine, but you're the one advocating a change in the standard way of doing things.

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Quoting Ace_of_Sevens:

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My claim is that a miniseries, at least in this case, isn't a TV series: It's a TV movie that was too long to show on one night, so TV series rules don't apply.

Are each of the three segments titled the same in the credits, or are there "episode" titles?  If they have different titles then you need episode dividers.

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The disc titles have the different parts broken out.
The disc menu's have them broken out
Each title sequence has "Tin Man" in the opening credit sequence.  But that is the case of most mini-series.  Most mini-series are not episodic in nature and those are profiled in this manner since they have end credits at the end of each part.

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Ok I am cofused here
First you say "This isn't a case where there is a standard way of doing things" and then you say "but you're the one advocating a change in the standard way of doing things".  How can I advocate a change to a standard if this isn't a case where there is a standard way fo doing things.

What I meant to say is there is no clear standard in the rules, but precedent is on my side here.

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I read this rule:

Complete Series/Season & Anthologies of Episodes:
Enter Cast and Crew for each episode using standard rules, and insert dividers to separate each episode's credit list from the others. Do not list Cast and Crew outside of the dividers even if they are credited in all episodes

And that did seem clear to me

I also checked the thread "Collected Statements from Invelos on contribution discussions" and I saw nothing there to alter that.

There is no clarifications at all on mini-series and whether or not they need to have episode titles between each separated part to be really considered a "mini series".

That would be clear, except those are rules for regular TV series, not miniseries. You are assuming that they apply to miniseries, but nothing actually says so. My contention is that with miniseries, there's a fine line with long TV movies on one end and a TV series with a short run on the other end. Treating all of them the same way will end up with suboptimal results. If the makers treat it like a movie with no episode names and only one set of credits (which they have to show every night because of union rules), then we should treat it like a movie. If they treat it like a TV series where episodes have individual name and/or credits, then we should treat it like a TV series.

Yes, there's nothing in the rules that says this, but there's nothing that says otherwise, either. The rules are silent on how miniseries should be handled. I'm saying we should treat them like this because out of all the approaches that are consistent with the rules, it makes the most sense. Also, that's the way most series are currently entered.

I'm unclear on your position. Are you saying miniseries should always have separate credits or only if there's no play-all option?