I would think that someone credited for "Make-up Effects" would be a "Make-up Effects Artist."  So that one's good to go.

"[Role Name] Makeup" poses no problem for me either.

As to final outcome?  One of two things:

1. Two or three other posts sayings, "Sure."
2. 19 pages of increasingly hostile posts ending with Moderator intervention.

Quoting CalebAndCo:

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2. 19 pages of increasingly hostile posts ending with Moderator intervention.

^^This^^ 

The problem that bbbbb is trying to show us is that the common "Make-Up Artist" is listed exactly this way in the crew chart, while for Make-Up Effects the "Artist" is not listed.

While it's quite clear that it should be listed (same as "Prosthetic" BTW), it simply isn't.
And the rules are unambiguous here:

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For each category, include only those people credited with the roles listed in the "Role" and "Credited As" columns. If someone is not credited with one of these roles (or direct translations of these roles), do not include them in the Crew section.

So while I wouldn't vote "No", technically a "Make-Up Effects Artist" is not a valid entry according to the contribution rules. Otherwise it wouldn't make sense to explicitly include them for Make-Up and omit this for "Make-Up Effects".

Quoting scotthm:

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I don't buy the argument that the subset of "Make-up Effects Artists" isn't included in the more generic category of "Make-up Effects".

You don't have to buy it. You'd simply have to strictly apply the rules:

Allowed entries for "Make-up Artist" according to the crew-chart (Bold by me):

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Chief Makeup Artist,
Department Head, Make-Up Artist,
Head Make-Up Artist,
Key Make-Up,
Key Make-Up Artist,
Key Makeup Artist & Hairstylist,
Lead Makeup Artist,
Make-up,
Makeup and Hair Designer,
Makeup Artist,
Make-Up Designer,
Makeup Artist & Hair to [Cast Name],

Allowed entries for "Make-Up Effects" (Here already the "Artist" is missing):

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Make-up Effects,
Special Make-up Effects [by]

Please note the complete lack of any "Artists" especially in direct comparison to the "normal" Make-Up.

Quoting TheMadMartian:

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I can't see any reason why he would not want us to include the make-up effects artist.

Neither do I.
And I admit that therefore the discussion is somewhat academic, since we all agree on the desired result.

It's only that (IMO) the fact remains that this "desired result" requires an upgrade of the rules.
Or, to say it in your words, "...  Some of these rules really need to be worded better.  "

Quoting scotthm:

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The fact is, you cannot cover every permutation of every credit.  I certainly don't see "Screen Play by" listed in the Credited As column, but I have numerous films with that credit.  I daresay no one thinks such a credit should be omitted.

Relevance?
We are not talking about permutations here, but about the fact that the "Artist" explicitly got included in one section and omitted in another.
Whether this happened on purpose or by an oversight is not up to us to decide.

Quoting Lewis_Prothero:

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We are not talking about permutations here, but about the fact that the "Artist" explicitly got included in one section and omitted in another.
Whether this happened on purpose or by an oversight is not up to us to decide.

If we follow your line of reasoning then we must exclude virtually all screenwiting credits because the word "by" is not included in the text of the Credited As entry.  You'll notice that the word "by" is explicitly mentioned (or allowed) for numerous other categories, but not for screenwriting.

So following the logic you present, we would be forced to omit writing credits such as "Screenplay by", "Screen Play by", "Teleplay by", etc. because "by" is included in, for example, "Written by", or "Story by", but not for the screenwriter category.

I don't see any reason to disallow "Make-Up Effects Artist" if we're not going to disallow "Screen Play by".

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If someone is not credited with one of these roles (or direct translations of these roles), do not include them in the Crew section.

Here is my opinion for whatever it's worth. First let me state that I still favor open credits, as big a nightmare as they would be, simply because of these ongoing issues,, they will continue as long as we have the existing system. Some one, ND no offense to anyone, someone will always find something that they feel should be included under some role or other. This largely has the effect of making the data less and less meaningful because too much is trying to be shoehorned in. So open credits and wysiwyt.

That said do I think it should be included...yes. But under the rules it is outside. I would use a custom role but would not contribute.