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 | kd5 | | SciFi/Fantasy/Horror Geek |
| Registered: May 24, 2010 |  Posts: 374 |
| | Posted: | | | | To any naysayers regarding the changing of the title of Predator - Collector's Edition from Widescreen Edition to Collector's Edition, the words Collector's Edition appear in two places on the case of this DVD: On the spine (Collector's Edition #15), just as it appears on the spines of Alien - Collector's Edition #10, Aliens - Collector's Edition #11, Alien 3 - Collector's Edition #12, and Alien: Resurrection - Collector's Edition #13. Don't know what #14 is, doesn't matter.
It is also mentioned in the Overview which is printed on the paper that is gummied on the back of this DVD set:
[QUOTE]The ultimate hunter meets the ultimate adversary... in the ultimate Collector's Edition DVD! Arnold Schwarzenegger wages an all-out war against an unseen enemy, a force more powerful and deadly than any on Earth—because the Predator is not of this Earth.
Now, you can explore the depths of the Predator jungle with this all-new 2-disc set packed with over 5 hours of out-of-this-world extras, including an in-depth documentary, director's commentary, never-before-seen bonus footage, revealing featurettes and more![/QUOTE]
I hope the powers-that-be allow this change, IMHO it has been a long time coming. -kd5- | | | | Time is the fire in which we burn. (Soran) | | | | Last edited: by kd5 |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,596 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting kd5: Quote:
To any naysayers (of which there is One) regarding the changing of the title of Predator - Collector's Edition from Widescreen Edition to Collector's Edition, the words Collector's Edition appear in two places on the case of this DVD: On the spine (Collector's Edition #15), just as it appears on the spines of Alien - Collector's Edition #10, Aliens - Collector's Edition #11, Alien 3 - Collector's Edition #12, and Alien: Resurrection - Collector's Edition #13. Don't know what #14 is, doesn't matter.
It is also mentioned in the Overview which is printed on the paper that is gummied on the back of this DVD set:
[QUOTE]The ultimate hunter meets the ultimate adversary... in the ultimate Collector's Edition DVD! Arnold Schwarzenegger wages an all-out war against an unseen enemy, a force more powerful and deadly than any on Earth—because the Predator is not of this Earth.
Now, you can explore the depths of the Predator jungle with this all-new 2-disc set packed with over 5 hours of out-of-this-world extras, including an in-depth documentary, director's commentary, never-before-seen bonus footage, revealing featurettes and more![/QUOTE]
I hope the powers-that-be allow this change, IMHO it has been a long time coming. -kd5- The Title must come from the Front cover, not the spine or the Overview. If the Title on the front cover is: Predator with a banner of Widescreen Edition, then that's the Title/Edition that should be entered into the Database. | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Not saying if you are right or wrong... either way you wouldn't be completely wrong... but without seeing the cover images I really can't say for sure.
But it is possible that having both on the release would be correct. For example... I was recently given a full screen copy of Good Luck Chuck. In the database it was under Good Luck Chuck: Chucked Up!: Uncut Edition. I just changed that to Good Luck Chuck: Chucked Up!: Uncut Edition: Full Screen as there is a wide screen version of the same release... and both descriptions is on the case.
So while adding "Collector's Edition" may be correct... it may not be correct Removing "Widescreen Edition"... if both is on the case... something more like Predator: Collector's Edition: Widescreen Edition may be what is correct per Rules. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Bad Father: Quote:
Quoting kd5:
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To any naysayers (of which there is One) regarding the changing of the title of Predator - Collector's Edition from Widescreen Edition to Collector's Edition, the words Collector's Edition appear in two places on the case of this DVD: On the spine (Collector's Edition #15), just as it appears on the spines of Alien - Collector's Edition #10, Aliens - Collector's Edition #11, Alien 3 - Collector's Edition #12, and Alien: Resurrection - Collector's Edition #13. Don't know what #14 is, doesn't matter.
It is also mentioned in the Overview which is printed on the paper that is gummied on the back of this DVD set:
[QUOTE]The ultimate hunter meets the ultimate adversary... in the ultimate Collector's Edition DVD! Arnold Schwarzenegger wages an all-out war against an unseen enemy, a force more powerful and deadly than any on Earth—because the Predator is not of this Earth.
Now, you can explore the depths of the Predator jungle with this all-new 2-disc set packed with over 5 hours of out-of-this-world extras, including an in-depth documentary, director's commentary, never-before-seen bonus footage, revealing featurettes and more![/QUOTE]
I hope the powers-that-be allow this change, IMHO it has been a long time coming. -kd5-
The Title must come from the Front cover, not the spine or the Overview. If the Title on the front cover is:
Predator with a banner of Widescreen Edition, then that's the Title/Edition that should be entered into the Database. You are right... it must be from the front cover. Even though the rules for edition only says DVD Box... while I don't personally like it... Ken clarified this to mean front cover in this post... Quoting Ken Cole:Quote:
Edition helps distinguish between different releases, but it does not bear the full responsibility of that differentiation. Per the rule, use the built-in editions when applicable, but tread lightly when stepping out of those choices. When considering non-standard edition text, make sure it both:
- Help to differentiate versions - AND-
- Is prominently displayed on the front cover.
Any other interpretation of this rule starts us down the path to things like "Avatar: The Slightly Taller Version with the Blue Sticker" See what I put in bold... So if it isn't the FRONT cover... it can't be used... at least for the online database per Ken Cole. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Don't mind me while I argue with myself here.  But then again he did say it is usually safe to use the built in when applicable. Since Collector's Edition is on the case somewhere... and it is in the built in drop down... I guess I am back to...possibly.... Predator: Collector's Edition: Widescreen Edition...would be correct per Rules and Ken Cole's last statement on this. If you read the thread I linked to you will see that he will consider lifting Front Cover only and doing anywhere from the cover. But then it was dropped. So he hasn't changed his mind as of yet that I know of. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,596 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
Don't mind me while I argue with myself here.
But then again he did say it is usually safe to use the built in when applicable. Since Collector's Edition is on the case somewhere... and it is in the built in drop down... I guess I am back to...possibly....
Predator: Collector's Edition: Widescreen Edition
...would be correct per Rules and Ken Cole's last statement on this. If you read the thread I linked to you will see that he will consider lifting Front Cover only and doing anywhere from the cover. But then it was dropped. So he hasn't changed his mind as of yet that I know of. I argue with myself all the time...so don't worry  . The rule does say "it is usually safe to use the built in when applicable" but you must select the appropriate edition from the drop-down only when that edition is on the Front Cover...per Ken's own statement in the rules: - Help to differentiate versions - AND- - Is prominently displayed on the front cover.There's no way around it in my opinion. | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
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| | Posted: | | | | Continue reading that thread... that is only for when it is NOT in the dropdown... Quoting Ken Cole:Quote:
Note that the condition for prominent front cover display applies only to non-standard editions (those not included in the program's drop-down):
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use the built-in editions when applicable, but tread lightly when stepping out of those choices. When considering non-standard edition text, make sure it both:
- Help to differentiate versions - AND-
- Is prominently displayed on the front cover. See his first sentence I put in bold. | | | | Pete |
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 | Eagle | | Registered: Oct 31, 2001 |
| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 563 |
| | Posted: | | | | The cover can be seen here. To elaborate on my yes vote comments...nowhere on the front cover does it say Widescreen Edition, this is only mentioned on the rear cover. There is no fullscreen version of the Collector's Edition, which makes using the Widescreen Edition description unneeded, IMO. While I certainly hope this contribution passes, it ultimately makes no difference on my end since I made the same change long ago in my db and have it locked down. | | | | My phpDVDprofiler collection |
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| | Posted: | | | | Going by the fact that Widescreen Edition is not on the front cover (or in the drop-down menu of the program) & there is no Full Screen version of this edition... then removing it is correct per Rules and Ken's clarification. With Collector's Edition being on the spine (as said in OP)... and is in the drop-down menu of program... per Ken's clarification above... it is allowed. So sounds like it is a correct contribution to me.  | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: June 21, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,621 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Eagle: Quote:
The cover can be seen here.
To elaborate on my yes vote comments...nowhere on the front cover does it say Widescreen Edition, this is only mentioned on the rear cover. There is no fullscreen version of the Collector's Edition, which makes using the Widescreen Edition description unneeded, IMO. While I certainly hope this contribution passes, it ultimately makes no difference on my end since I made the same change long ago in my db and have it locked down. I was 99% sure there is a fullscreen version of this, I'm near postive I saw one when they came out and remember thinking, "why?" ... so I went hunting online, and sure enough, here's proof I'm right. For this reason I think the widescreen or fullscreen should be included in the edition field even though it doesn't appear on the front. That is vital info IMO, not sure how vital "collector's edition" is. But, there were 2 or 3 previous versions of Predator, so I could go either way with that one. I also recall thinking it was sneaky putting the edition on back. When they came out I saw them on the rack at Best Buy, about 6 deep with front cover facing out. First one I picked up to look at was FS, as were the next 3, then the WS were hidden behind the FS as the cover looks identical and I'm sure someone somewhere grabbed the wrong one without looking close enough at the back. | | | | Last edited: by bigdaddyhorse |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,596 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
Going by the fact that Widescreen Edition is not on the front cover (or in the drop-down menu of the program) & there is no Full Screen version of this edition... then removing it is correct per Rules and Ken's clarification.
With Collector's Edition being on the spine (as said in OP)... and is in the drop-down menu of program... per Ken's clarification above... it is allowed.
So sounds like it is a correct contribution to me. Huh???  So, what you are saying is that I can take the Edition from pretty much anywhere on the packaging as long as it's listed in the drop-down list as a Standard Edition? I don't think that's how it's supposed to be. | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
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| | Posted: | | | | In that case... I personally agree with you bigdaddyhorse.... but unfortunately Ken don't agree with us as I showed above. If it isn't in the drop-down it must be on the FRONT cover. If I had this title... locally at least... it would have both. But per the rules and Ken's clarification on the subject it sounds like the contribution is correct per Rules. | | | | Pete |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Bad Father: Quote:
Quoting Addicted2DVD:
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Going by the fact that Widescreen Edition is not on the front cover (or in the drop-down menu of the program) & there is no Full Screen version of this edition... then removing it is correct per Rules and Ken's clarification.
With Collector's Edition being on the spine (as said in OP)... and is in the drop-down menu of program... per Ken's clarification above... it is allowed.
So sounds like it is a correct contribution to me.
Huh???
So, what you are saying is that I can take the Edition from pretty much anywhere on the packaging as long as it's listed in the drop-down list as a Standard Edition?
I don't think that's how it's supposed to be. I don't agree with it either... and we went through it with Ken... but that was Ken's decision. Read the thread I linked to... and see the posts from Ken. That is all we can go by. Boils down to if it is in the drop-down it can come from anywhere. If it is not in the drop-down it must be on the front cover only. Though I would love to see Ken change his mind on this. He said he would consider doing so in that thread... and some wanted it... others didn't. And at that point it was dropped. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Since it worked with more threads per page... I am trying it here too... sent in a support ticket asking for Ken to consider changing his stance on this subject. | | | | Pete |
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| kd5 | | SciFi/Fantasy/Horror Geek |
| Registered: May 24, 2010 | | Posts: 374 |
| | Posted: | | | | Based on the statement that the Edition must come from from what is prominently displayed on the front cover of the DVD set, since there is nothing prominently displayed on the front cover of this DVD set besides Schwarzenegger and Predator, then I suppose this Collector's Edition should not be identified as a Collector's Edition, but nor should Widescreen Edition be selected from the Edition dropdown either. I honestly think it would be a travesty not to identify this Collector's Edition as a Collector's Edition simply because the words Collector's Edition do not appear on the front of this Collector's Edition DVD set, even though those words appear in two other places on this DVD set. I'll set mine and lock it so it will be identified correctly in my personal database, but I wish it could be identified as it was intended to be in DVD Profiler's main database.
Thanks for everyone's input, -kd5- | | | | Time is the fire in which we burn. (Soran) |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Not sure why you think that... per the rules and Ken's clarification your contribution is correct. Since it (Collector's Edition) is in the drop-down menu it don't have to be on the front cover.
Though it is unfortunate that Wide Screen Edition can't be on there as of now since there is a Full Screen version out there as well. | | | | Pete |
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