Welcome to the Invelos forums. Please read the forum rules before posting.

Read access to our public forums is open to everyone. To post messages, a free registration is required.

If you have an Invelos account, sign in to post.

    Invelos Forums->General: General Discussion Page: 1 2  Previous   Next
Triple H, Hunter Hearst Helmsley , Paul Levesque, or Terra Ryzing? who is this man???
Author Message
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorbrimac5477
Registered: October 3, 2008
United States Posts: 260
Posted:
PM this userVisit this user's homepageView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
i had a question about the WWE wrestler "Triple H". even though "Triple H" is the most common used name not his real name "Paul Levesque" alot of his credits are incorrect ones from wrestling dvd's being that there never is a cast listing on the dvd's and whoever contributes just lists him that way. its like "Doink the clown" being someone's name. even though the man's real name is Matt Osbourne and he continued wrestling as Matt Borne after the clown gimmick was done. so in this case for a DVD featuring wrestler Matt Borne he would have to be listed as "Doink the Clown" playing the role of "Matt Borne"?? Triple H is now getting into movies at the end of his wrestling career so he is trying to progress ala The Rock and get people more familar with his real name which is why for his newest movie "The Chaperone" he is Paul "Triple H" Levesque in the credits. Now for "The Rock" he was ALWAYS "The Rock" in the wrestling dvd's yet somehow we list him as Dwayne Johnson..i think its because he has done alot more movies and the WWE dvd's never had cast info anyway. i withdrew my contribution even though i still believe listing him as "Paul Levesque - credited as Triple H" is the correct way to list him. i will keep it local but i would think we would want to be able to have a way to see all the dvd's featuring Triple H - Paul Levesque . so for future movies of his we will have to list him as "Triple H credited as HIS REAL NAME Paul Levesque...i dont get it. well i rambled on..thank you for your time  (i guess the "See no Evil" contribution is "incorrect". will be horrible to have "actor" Kane playing the role of "Fake Diesel" or "Issac Yankem DDS") which way do people think tis should be contributed (sorry for the PM Pete!)
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorbrimac5477
Registered: October 3, 2008
United States Posts: 260
Posted:
PM this userVisit this user's homepageView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
oh a follow up to the "Doink the Clown" reference: using credit lookup tool the wrestler "Matt Borne" is credited in 7 profiles, 7 titles (3 for playing "Doink" 4 for playing "Matt Borne")... For actor "Doink" (?) he is credited in 1 title, 1 profile... for actor "Doink the Clown" he is credited in 2 titles, 2 profiles with one being the new actor to play him "Nick Dinsmore" who played him sporadically in the 2000's!
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorAddicted2DVD
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
United States Posts: 17,334
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
While it has been a long time since I watched wrestling... I know they at least used to use credits within the actual show... like a lot of documentaries. non-standard credits.. yes. But credits all the same. And we are told in the rules to use whatever credits available if there is no standard credits.

As for what to use. You have two choices. Use the CLT or give Documented proof the CLT is showing the wrong most commonly credited form... per Ken's statement. (see all the common name threads in the contribution forum). If the CLT can't be documented as being wrong (whether the proof supports the CLT or there is not enough info to prove it wrong) then we go with the CLT.
Pete
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorAddicted2DVD
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
United States Posts: 17,334
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quote:
Triple H credited as HIS REAL NAME Paul Levesque...i dont get it


Because you are looking at it the wrong way. You are looking at it like the name field must be the person's actual name. When the name field is supposed to be the most commonly used name.

while not a lot of us agree with the linking system as it is... we need to use it (per rules and Ken's statement) until we get something better. So for now that would be Triple H credited as Paul Levesque... then so be it. It still accomplishes what we want. Ability to link all profiles for the guy together.
Pete
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorsurfeur51
Since July 3, 2003
Registered: March 29, 2007
Reputation: Great Rating
France Posts: 4,479
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting Addicted2DVD:
Quote:

Because you are looking at it the wrong way. You are looking at it like the name field must be the person's actual name.


Well, I think that is the only correct way to do this (actual name or stage name used by the person to speak of him(her)self. If rules were on this option, most of problems we have with common name would disappear. Unfortunately, rules chose an option that is the reason of the mess in the online database.
Images from movies
 Last edited: by surfeur51
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorAddicted2DVD
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
United States Posts: 17,334
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
While I may not agree with the way it is currently being done. Even with the rules are the way they are. Linking can be done just fine following the rules as well.

But with any luck what so ever we won't have to worry about this too much longer. As we know Ken is working on something different.
Pete
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorbrimac5477
Registered: October 3, 2008
United States Posts: 260
Posted:
PM this userVisit this user's homepageView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
how about "The Undertaker"?? this one is a real winner: using credit lookup tool --
The Undertaker -  65 titles, 78 profiles
Mark Calaway - 63 titles, 75 profiles
Mark Callaway (incorrect spelling) - 53 titles, 61 profiles
Undertaker (no "The") -  16 titles, 18 profiles
i just wanted a way to search through my dvd's i own by "actor". it sucks i would have 4 dvd's with "The Undertaker, 3 with "Mark Calaway", 1 with "Undertaker"...etc.
also "Mark Calaway" appears in the movie "Suburban Commando" so using the rules and credit lookup tool should it be "The Undertaker" (credited as "Mark Calaway") plays the role of Hutch?? just confusing to me...why are wrestling dvd's so difficult to find some common ground!
I'll just keep my cast locked..it just seems horrible that if you are a big wrestling dvd fan you have to deal with cast issues like this when trying to determine which wrestler you have the most dvd's of!
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorbrimac5477
Registered: October 3, 2008
United States Posts: 260
Posted:
PM this userVisit this user's homepageView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
here is the most famous one:
Using credit lookup tool - Dwayne Johnson 123 titles, 340 profiles...The Rock 88 titles, 387 profiles.
again i "love" the rules and respect them being in place for a reason just seems confusing when you are trying to link up the guy with ALL the dvd's you own with him in it. I mean for this example "Dwayne" is credited in more titles yet "The Rock" is in more profiles?   i guess i will just lock up my casts locally just seems like a minor flaw in the system.

oh also Dwayne The Rock Johnson - 4 titles, 5 profiles
 Last edited: by brimac5477
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorbigdaddyhorse
Registered: June 21, 2007
Reputation: Great Rating
United States Posts: 2,621
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting brimac5477:
Quote:
here is the most famous one:
Using credit lookup tool - Dwayne Johnson 123 titles, 340 profiles...The Rock 88 titles, 387 profiles.
again i "love" the rules and respect them being in place for a reason just seems confusing when you are trying to link up the guy with ALL the dvd's you own with him in it. I mean for this example "Dwayne" is credited in more titles yet "The Rock" is in more profiles?   i guess i will just lock up my casts locally just seems like a minor flaw in the system.

oh also Dwayne The Rock Johnson - 4 titles, 5 profiles


I think it's safe to say he's gonna be Dwayne Johnson from here out. Every newer title with him is Dwayne, so unless he returns to wrestling that should stay common.

If Triple H folloows this route, then his common name will eventually change to Paul Levesque also.

Terra Ryzing?
Is that his porn name?
 Last edited: by bigdaddyhorse
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorbrimac5477
Registered: October 3, 2008
United States Posts: 260
Posted:
PM this userVisit this user's homepageView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting bigdaddyhorse:
Quote:
Quoting brimac5477:
Quote:
here is the most famous one:
Using credit lookup tool - Dwayne Johnson 123 titles, 340 profiles...The Rock 88 titles, 387 profiles.
again i "love" the rules and respect them being in place for a reason just seems confusing when you are trying to link up the guy with ALL the dvd's you own with him in it. I mean for this example "Dwayne" is credited in more titles yet "The Rock" is in more profiles?   i guess i will just lock up my casts locally just seems like a minor flaw in the system.

oh also Dwayne The Rock Johnson - 4 titles, 5 profiles


I think it's safe to say he's gonna be Dwayne Johnson from here out. Every newer title with him is Dwayne, so unless he returns to wrestling that should stay common.

If Triple H folloows this route, then his common name will eventually change to Paul Levesque also.

Terra Ryzing?
Is that his porn name?

Ha ha! I know how dumb right? You never know! Chyna is doing porn now so... i think being married to Stephanie McMahon will probably keep him out of porn!
I totally agree with Dwayne Johnson so do we wait till "Paul Levesque" release a bunch of crappy straight-to-dvd movies before we can go and change all the wrestling dvd casts he was in? i like for example the Blade movie where i changed the cast and put "Paul Levesque" as the actor and listed him being credited as Triple H. i thought that would be acceptable...
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorAddicted2DVD
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
United States Posts: 17,334
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
The reason it wasn't acceptable is because it is against the rules (and Ken's clarification) to do it that way now.

But as I said before... with hopefully the next program update none of this will matter any more as Ken has publicly stated that he is working on a new system for the names. Which he had said he hopes will get rid of the need for the CLT and linking system as it is now. But until then we need to do it as he said to.
Pete
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorbrimac5477
Registered: October 3, 2008
United States Posts: 260
Posted:
PM this userVisit this user's homepageView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting Addicted2DVD:
Quote:
The reason it wasn't acceptable is because it is against the rules (and Ken's clarification) to do it that way now.

But as I said before... with hopefully the next program update none of this will matter any more as Ken has publicly stated that he is working on a new system for the names. Which he had said he hopes will get rid of the need for the CLT and linking system as it is now. But until then we need to do it as he said to.

Totally Understand!!(dont like it ...but understand) The Dude abides!!
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorVirusPil
uncredited
Registered: January 1, 2009
Reputation: Highest Rating
Germany Posts: 3,087
Posted:
PM this userDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting surfeur51:
Quote:
Quoting Addicted2DVD:
Quote:

Because you are looking at it the wrong way. You are looking at it like the name field must be the person's actual name.


Well, I think that is the only correct way to do this (actual name or stage name used by the person to speak of him(her)self. If rules were on this option, most of problems we have with common name would disappear. Unfortunately, rules chose an option that is the reason of the mess in the online database.


That's the problem. How defining? Most people do know him as Triple H, just some people know his real name. After some movies as Paul Levesque perhaps many more people will know him with this name. And all the people just watching porn will know him as Terra Ryzing. So which one should it be?

Maybe the best would be to use the name most people will know him. How could this be defined at a program which is to catalog your DVDs? Maybe to take the variant that got the most credits? Sounds familiar!

I wished we would have a way everybody could track a person with the name he knows the person, but at the moment we don't have such a solution.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorbrimac5477
Registered: October 3, 2008
United States Posts: 260
Posted:
PM this userVisit this user's homepageView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
i still refer to "Dwayne Johnson" as "The Rock". But in his career now i think it's just "Dwane Johnson". I would bet alot of people still refer to him as being "The Rock". I think this is the goal for Triple H/ Paul Levesque although i dont think he will make it. Hope im wrong. and as far as using the "variant that got most credits" goes how about Dwayne Johnson / The Rock?
Using credit lookup tool - Dwayne Johnson 123 titles, 340 profiles...The Rock 88 titles, 387 profiles.
Pretty close..more titles for Dwayne, more profiles for The Rock!
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorVirusPil
uncredited
Registered: January 1, 2009
Reputation: Highest Rating
Germany Posts: 3,087
Posted:
PM this userDirect link to this postReply with quote
I'm wondering there never was a common name finding thread for The Rock, but if the CLT numbers are correct and you didn't miss a variant with more entries it would be Dwayne Johnson. (According to Ken the number of titles is the more important number.)
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorAddicted2DVD
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
United States Posts: 17,334
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Right. I wouldn't be able to point out the post... but Ken did say the number of titles is the one that matters the most.
Pete
    Invelos Forums->General: General Discussion Page: 1 2  Previous   Next