In the film Star Trek IV there is a credit for "Whale Design" (the full credit is "Whale Design & Project Supervisor"), does Whale Design get a Creature Design credit?

A "whale" by definition is a creature. If it was "designed" and the designer got a credit for this I don't see any reason why we shouldn't enter it.

Quoting Silence_of_Lambs:

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A "whale" by definition is a creature.

Yes, but not listed. Ken could have listed it in "credited as" column, but he did not. Do not forget that interpretations of rules are not allowed for other subjects. Why here ?

Quoting hal9g:

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That is exactly what the Rules say...however, so many people have been ignoring this section for so long ...

I agree with you. We have many users that consider they are allowed to interpret rules, but deny this right to other users.

Quoting ninehours:

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So should we remove every Creature Design credit that does not specifically say "Creature Designer" such as H. R. Giger in the Alien film who is credited as 'Alien' Design

If you want to follow rules strictly, yes. But the program allows to do what you want in your local. You can also propose a rule change in dedicated forum and hope Ken will accept this change.

I just looked up the definition of whale from webster's dictionary. Creature is not used in the definition. It's not even used as synonym.

If we're REALLY going to play that game and say that a whale by definition is a creature, then pretty much everything is. A whale is just a mammal, as are humans, so if humans are creatures, then really ANYTHING is a creature and that's too big of a floodgate in my opinion.

Using creature designer for a whale is FAR too broad a horizon for me to agree with. I'd vote no to it every single time it was submitted, and if it got through, I'd be annoying and try to remove it without hesitation.

That however, is possibly just me.

Creature Designer is such a sh***y crew role for Profiler if you ask me. Due to a serious lack of guidance from Ken (SHOCKER!!!!!!!!!) it's been left open WAY too long, and now it's a useless category. I mean, if we're entering a guy who designed a whale (something he didn't even need an ounce of imagination for as he can study friggin' images and video until his eyes bleed) then we have to enter anyone who designs anything. A plastic cockroach if it gets a credit. A CGI dog if there's a film where a dog gets smacked by a car and they had to "design" one so no animals would get hurt. It's ridiculous.

On the other hand, someone who had to create something like say the signature Alien from the Alien's film, to me, SHOULD be credited as a creature designer (and the crew table SHOULD be revised to reflect this... it should've been revised to reflect this years ago). There isn't anything to base that on. It's not a real (as far as we know) "creature" and therefore it's an original creative design. Someone who created the look of the animals in Avatar should get a creature designer. Someone who creates a yetti should get a creature designer. The guy who created the flying thing in The Never Ending Story should get a creature designer. The guy who created the look of the Predators should get a creature designer.

Again, this is all just my opinion... and I wish the crew chart would've been updated a very very very long time ago. I've very rarely seen a credit exactly as "Creature Designer" (although I have seen them), and because of this, that credit to me, is completely useless. I'd end up with maybe three or four of those credits in my entire local if we had to follow it EXACTLY. It needs to be defined for the purposes of profiler (and I'd vote against having a whale designer added to the definition...  ).

Oh Lord, let our hearts be open to share in a ministry of, by, and for all creatures, great and small. Let none of us think of ourselves as living on a level so far above our fellow creatures that we forget our kinship with the lowliest in your creation, and let none of us think of ourselves as so lowly that we have not the faith to wait upon the Lord, to renew our strength, to mount up with wings like eagles.
 

Quoting CubbyUps:

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Are you saying that Ken should list every single type of creature that has ever appeared or ever will appear in movies/tv series or other programs? That would be one very long list.

I don't think that's what surfeur51 meant.

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Perhaps it's about time to add a glossary to the rules section so that it's made more clear what certain terms means.
Such as creature could be defined as "Any life-form that can be based on reality or imagination".

And Creature Designer could be defined as "A person who designed a real or imaginary creature".

Thus as shown in the OP "Whale Design & Project Supervisor" is clearly a credit for someone who designed the whale (a real creature) and thus Creature Design credit fits the credit.

Yes, exactly! The crew  table should be used by the function of a role and not by its label only. And the rules should be changed accordingly.