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| Registered: July 8, 2010 |  Posts: 52 |
| | Posted: | | | | I recently got a no vote for a contribution where I removed 2 Sound Re-recording Engineers. Sound Re-recording Engineer is in the alternative credited as list for Sound Re-recording Mixer but should you really include alternatives when there are Sound Re-recording Mixers credited. |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 |  Posts: 1,982 |
| | Posted: | | | | Short answer yes...
It's their jobs whatever they are 2 or 100 doing it and whatever they are listed as mixer, engineer or technician (ok I ain't sure for this one, but in my database it's the same). |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 20,111 |
| | Posted: | | | | Sound Re-recording Engineers are clearly listed in the Crew table of the rules, so they should be there if they are credited in the film.
The rules don't say anything at all about not adding them when there are already Sound Re-recording Mixer(s) credited, so the no voters are correct. | | | | Corey |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | I agree with Kat and the man with no name. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: July 8, 2010 | | Posts: 52 |
| | Posted: | | | | Well that seems to me to be a bit silly, if some people are credited as mixers and other as engineers on the same film then obviously the engineers are not doing the same job as mixers. Anyway just checked the credits again and it seems for this contribution it's a moot point, according to this reply I received on a similar matter, the credits are invalid because they are credited as Re-recording Engineers not Sound Re-recording Engineers |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | That is one user giving an opinion, not an actual answer by the powers that be. While that person makes a distinction, as evidenced by the 'no' votes you got, not everybody does.
And just to be clear, the Credited As column isn't an alternative list, it is THE list of valid credits. Anybody credited with one of those roles is allowed to be entered into the profile...unless otherwise noted as is the case with the 'Sound' credit. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
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| Registered: June 22, 2007 | | Posts: 89 |
| | Posted: | | | | As I pointed out earlier, there are still some mistakes and inconsistencies in the rules (especially in the complicated Sound category). As long as they are not properly fixed, the users will continuously end up in traps like this.
Although it is quite obvious that the Re-Recording engineers you tried to remove are just technicians, because the real Re-Recording Mixers have been credited, they may stay because of these half-baked rules. I only can just suggest: Leave it as it is, because it is better to have some credits too much in the database than to lose information.
Hopefully some rule fixes in the future will clear the existing ambiguities. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 1,819 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Spab: Quote:
because they are credited as Re-recording Engineers not Sound Re-recording Engineers If this was the case then every occasion of Re-Recording Mixer would have to be removed. Simple logic dictates that if Re-Recording Mixer or Re-Recording Engineer are listed within the Sound section then they should be listed. Removal of the 'Sound' entries in this contribution was completely correct because the rules have made a distinction regarding this matter. |
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| Registered: June 22, 2007 | | Posts: 89 |
| | Posted: | | | | I agree on that point: The mentioning of "Sound" or not in front of the "Re-Recording"-job is not decisive. | | | | Last edited: by schaumi |
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  | Corne | | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
| Registered: April 5, 2007 |  Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
I agree with Kat and the man with no name. Me too. Sound Re-Recording Engineer, or just Re-Recording Engineer within the sound section of the credits are the same. Just like Sound Re-Recordist and Re-Recordist. In these cases the custom role field comes in handy  | | | | Cor | | | | Last edited: by Corne |
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,733 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Spab: Quote:
should you really include alternatives when there are Sound Re-recording Mixers credited. You should not, no. As a result of the wide variety of different labels being used over the years for entirely different jobs, it's pretty much impossible to word the rules in such a way that it allows everything we need, yet keeps out everything else. As such, a strict reading of the rules occasionally allows you to enter people/jobs that we really don't track. This is an example of that: we're after the actual sound re-recording mixers listed in those credits, not the minor studio technicians assisting them. |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 1,982 |
| | Posted: | | | | And who are you to decide the Sound Re-recording Engineers are minor technicians and the Sound Re-Recording Mixers aren't? As usual you speak like your words are The Gospel of God... sadly for you this isn't the case at all since you have no first hand knowledge on the issue as you weren't involve in the films production to know that.
They are listed in the rules as Re-recording Mixer, Sound Mixer, Principal Sound Mixer, Sound Re-recording,
Sound Re-recording Engineer, Sound Re-recordist and Dubbing Mixer are. So no need for a 10 pages discussion here as the answer is quite clear. |
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| Registered: June 22, 2007 | | Posts: 89 |
| | Posted: | | | | It is not an executive decision by T!M but bare logic plus an inside knowledge of the facts. And the facts are: If a Re-Recording Mixer is credited, the (later credited) Re-Recording Engineer is just a studio technician (like the Re-Recordist).
As I mentioned above: The rules are not properly thought out so far. No one to blame. Let's hope for an upcoming fix. |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 1,982 |
| | Posted: | | | | Sorry but there are no place for interpretation... they are listed in the rules so we must list them as long as the rule rest as it is written. |
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| Registered: July 8, 2010 | | Posts: 52 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Pantheon: Quote:
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because they are credited as Re-recording Engineers not Sound Re-recording Engineers
If this was the case then every occasion of Re-Recording Mixer would have to be removed.
That is not true because re-recording mixer is listed in the rules but re-recording engineer is not But anyway it seems to me that there's no choice but to ignore the sound section until the rules are cleared up. The same is true for the costume designer credit where it seems most people would say that we have to add wardrobe supervisors as costume designers even though when there is a costume designer credited they have nothing to do with costume design. |
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| Corne | | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
| Registered: April 5, 2007 | | Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Spab: Quote:
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because they are credited as Re-recording Engineers not Sound Re-recording Engineers
If this was the case then every occasion of Re-Recording Mixer would have to be removed.
That is not true because re-recording mixer is listed in the rules but re-recording engineer is not
But anyway it seems to me that there's no choice but to ignore the sound section until the rules are cleared up. The same is true for the costume designer credit where it seems most people would say that we have to add wardrobe supervisors as costume designers even though when there is a costume designer credited they have nothing to do with costume design. That's where the custom role field comes in place... | | | | Cor |
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