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| Registered: April 3, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,998 |
| | Posted: | | | | Please read this thread before voting The two options that people are suggesting are Title: Star Trek: Captain's Log Edition: Fan Collective Title: Star Trek: Fan Collective: Captain's Log (no Edition) The other thread seems even between the two options so am having this poll to hopefully break the tie Note: Neutral votes will be added to the option that gets the most votes | | | | Last edited: by ninehours |
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| Registered: January 1, 2009 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | Good luck for a "clear" majority. | | | | Last edited: by VirusPil |
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  | Corne | | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
| Registered: April 5, 2007 |  Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ninehours: Quote:
Please read this thread before voting
The two options that people are suggesting are
Title: Star Trek: Captain's Log
Edition: Fan Collective
Title: Star Trek: Fan Collective: Captain's Log (no Edition)
The other thread seems even between the two options so am having this poll to hopefully break the tie For me there are just two valid options: 1. Title: Star Trek: Captain's Log: Fan Collective 2. Title: Star Trek: Captain's Log Edition: Fan Collective Because of the reasons given in this thread I'm in for the option with edition. | | | | Cor | | | | Last edited: by Corne |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,741 |
| | Posted: | | | | For me, "Fan Collective" is still an edition. There are several of it out there (just like many movies that belong to the "Criterion Collection") and they are a special bundle that binds several "Star Trek" episodes together. Maybe there are other special collections that bind other "Star Trek" episodes together ("Mirror Universe Collection" or whatnot) | | | Karsten
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| Registered: July 31, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DJ Doena: Quote:
...and they are a special bundle that binds several "Star Trek" episodes together... Under that definition then "Season 1", "Season 2", etc... are also editions. IMHO, all of this is part of the title. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,741 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Formerly known as...: Quote:
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...and they are a special bundle that binds several "Star Trek" episodes together...
Under that definition then "Season 1", "Season 2", etc... are also editions.
IMHO, all of this is part of the title. I see "Captain's Log" more equal to "Season 1" because that defines the content of the package. However, it's quite possible that there are more than one "Season 1" out there, e.g.   And that's where the edition becomes relevant. For me the deciding factor is that there's a number of boxes out there that belong optically together and are sold under the label "Fan Collective". Maybe there are other "Best of 'Star Trek'" collections out there that don't belong to the "Fan Collective" label. Maybe 2016 we get all these boxes again, this time as the "50th Anniversary Collection" with a new artwork. That would be a new label, a new edition. | | | Karsten
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Why must we always be different and make things harder than they need to be? The Official Star Trek store has them listed as: Star Trek: Fan Collective - Alternate RealitiesStar Trek: Fan Collective - Borg DVD SetStar Trek: Fan Collective - Captain's Log DVD SetStar Trek: Fan Collective - Klingon DVD SetStar Trek: Fan Collective - Q DVD SetWhy in the world would we do it any differently? Especially when they have the Star Trek: Fan Collective Collection (5 DVD Set)? If 'Fan Collective' is the edition, would that make this set, Title: Star Trek: Collection, Edition: Fan Collective? | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| Blair | | Resistance is Futile! |
| Registered: October 30, 2008 | | Posts: 1,249 |
| | Posted: | | | | I have a problem with most listed choices, but only because I can't get past the fact that we are worried about what the cover says than what is likely meant based on the original creator's meaning. Since we use the cover instead of any other data (such as similarly related version to help indicate which parts are repeated, then it's going to stay a toss up for me based on point of view.)
Outside of front cover, though, in my view an "Edition" is the final breakdown for similar releases of anything. The sets are called "Fan Collectives" according to the Star Trek website. Since they are all "Star trek" and "Fan Collectives" then my reasoning would make "Captain's Log," "Borg," "Klingon," "Q," and so on the editions.
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He who MUST get the last word in on a pointless, endless argument doesn't win. It makes him the bigger jerk. | | | | Last edited: by Blair |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DJ Doena: Quote:
For me, "Fan Collective" is still an edition. There are several of it out there (just like many movies that belong to the "Criterion Collection") and they are a special bundle that binds several "Star Trek" episodes together. Maybe there are other special collections that bind other "Star Trek" episodes together ("Mirror Universe Collection" or whatnot) Using this argument we should enter: Title: Star Trek: Season 1 Edition: The Next Generation or Title: Star Trek: Season 2 Edition: Voyager  | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: May 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | This isn't like a movie being released different ways.
Like
Movie x Full Screen Edition (because it full screen version)
Movie x Widescreen Edition (because it is widescreen version)
Movie x Crterion Collection (because it was released by Criterion)
etc.
These are all descriptions of the same movie, just released in different ways
The Fan Collective is a series of DVD releases. Each release has a different sub title (Alternate Realities), therefore not distinguishing between different types of the same release or specific releases of a movie uinder a collection heading.
These are more apt to be called "Best of Star Trek - Alternate Realities". Would you say "Best Of" is an edition?
If it said "Star Trek: Fan Collective- Alternate Realities" and at the bottom said Widescreen, then Widescreen would become the edition (supposedly to separate it from a full screen edition of the same title)
So IMO by the rules, this does not apply as an edition, but as a series.
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| Registered: January 1, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CharlieM: Quote:
These are more apt to be called "Best of Star Trek - Alternate Realities". Would you say "Best Of" is an edition?
What if there would be a banner at top with Best of Edition? Or Fan Collection at top? Or Fan Edition? I think the debate is very useless, because as explained in the othere thread, both versions got good arguments. There are some examples where we can't agree, so I think the poll was a good idea. And I would do as the poll decides. (Even if it's just decided by those users that read the forum) Quote:
This isn't like a movie being released different ways. There are movies out there where every version is the Extended Veresion or the Director's Cut, so an Edition is not just limited on the existenz of different versions imho. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 906 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Why must we always be different and make things harder than they need to be? The Official Star Trek store has them listed as:
Star Trek: Fan Collective - Alternate Realities
Star Trek: Fan Collective - Borg DVD Set
Star Trek: Fan Collective - Captain's Log DVD Set
Star Trek: Fan Collective - Klingon DVD Set
Star Trek: Fan Collective - Q DVD Set
Why in the world would we do it any differently? Especially when they have the Star Trek: Fan Collective Collection (5 DVD Set)? If 'Fan Collective' is the edition, would that make this set, Title: Star Trek: Collection, Edition: Fan Collective? Because we do the same for the Walt Disney Treasures? The official site for those titles also treat 'Walt Disney Treasures' as a part of the title, yet we don't here. In my opinion this is the discussion as we had back when WDT was moved to the edition field and we should treat both the same way. | | | 
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| Registered: May 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting VirusPil: Quote:
What if there would be a banner at top with Best of Edition? Or Fan Collection at top? Or Fan Edition?
But it doesn't say it across the top. It also doesn't say edition, and collection and collective are to different words with 2 different meanings. Quoting reybr Quote:
Because we do the same for the Walt Disney Treasures? The official site for those titles also treat 'Walt Disney Treasures' as a part of the title, yet we don't here. In my opinion this is the discussion as we had back when WDT was moved to the edition field and we should treat both the same way. Walt Disney Treasures should be an edition, by the reasons given in the rules. This WDT is a real title of a collection of movies, no different than The Criterion Collection. With these, we are talking about movies that have been released at different times with different features. The same reason "Special Edition" is used. It is the same Movie, just with different "features" or such. The Fan Collective is a SERIES of DVD releases that have multiple Star Trek episodes within each release that are based upon a common theme. The title of the series is "Star Trek: Fan Collective".... Charlie |
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| Corne | | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CharlieM: Quote:
The Fan Collective is a SERIES of DVD releases that have multiple Star Trek episodes within each release that are based upon a common theme. The title of the series is "Star Trek: Fan Collective"... Yes, but aren't many other edition descriptors part of the title of DVD collections/series as well? It's rhetorical, not a question... "Fan Collective" is the name (or title if you like) for a collection of theme-based DVD releases of Star Trek episodes. If you don't consider it to be an edition descriptor, then the title of this DVD set shouldn't be "Star Trek: Fan Collective: Captain's Log" but what's on the front cover: Star Trek: Captain's Log: Fan Collective | | | | Cor |
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| Registered: January 1, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | Just a small question: If these wouldn't parts of the tv series, but the movies. So the front covers: Star Trek The Wrath of Khan Fan Collective or Star Trek Nemesis Fan Collective ... Would it be also part of the title?  |
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| Registered: November 24, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,275 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting VirusPil: Quote:
Just a small question:
If these wouldn't parts of the tv series, but the movies.
So the front covers:
Star Trek
The Wrath of Khan
Fan Collective
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Star Trek
Nemesis
Fan Collective
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Would it be also part of the title? If that was the case, then 'Fan Collective' would be the Edition to separate from the other versions of the movies. But I still don't think that applies to any of the fan collections that have been put together, as there are no other titles with the same name. |
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