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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantJ68
Registered: September 11, 2010
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Is the Sort Title option a "contribution field "?  Does it have a set of rules around its use?

The reason I ask is that TV series, such as ER, have multiple box sets that are listed out of chronological sequence when sequenced by their title.  If I re-order my collection based on the following format, am I at risk of it being reset if there's a subsequent update for that title?

[DVD Title]
ER: The Complete Eight Season
[Sort Title]
ER: Seaon 08

Thanks.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributornorthbloke
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The "sort title" field is only entered into the online database when the profile is created, and is never updated or overwritten by subsequent changes.
So the changes you want to make are fine, they will not overwrite the online and the online will not overwrite the local. The only way to get back the original sort title would be to either type it back in manually or remove the profile and re-add it.
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The "sort title" field is only entered into the online database when the profile is created


I'm not even sure about that. It might also be possible that the sort title onlinbe is created by the same rules that apply when I empty that field and let DVDP fill it.
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It might also be possible that the sort title onlinbe is created by the same rules that apply when I empty that field and let DVDP fill it.

That would be nice, but no, that's not happening.
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The "sort title" field is only entered into the online database when the profile is created


I'm not even sure about that. It might also be possible that the sort title onlinbe is created by the same rules that apply when I empty that field and let DVDP fill it.

Based on my experience, the sort title will always match what is in the title field when it is first contributed.  When I create a brand new profile, I never fill in the sort title, yet it always matches.
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The "sort title" field is only entered into the online database when the profile is created


I'm not even sure about that. It might also be possible that the sort title onlinbe is created by the same rules that apply when I empty that field and let DVDP fill it.

Based on my experience, the sort title will always match what is in the title field when it is first contributed.  When I create a brand new profile, I never fill in the sort title, yet it always matches.


I'm 100% sure the sort title defaults to the used title. I can't even recall seeing the sort title field on any contribution page, be it existing profiles or new ones (with new ones being blank and not even showing the fields). I always thought it was more of a local thing and have changed dozens to line sequels up in the right order in my local.
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... I always thought it was more of a local thing and have changed dozens to line sequels up in the right order in my local.

Yep, I think it won't be uploaded.

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Based on my experience, the sort title will always match what is in the title field when it is first contributed.  When I create a brand new profile, I never fill in the sort title, yet it always matches.

That's what I also think.
I just checked a few profiles which got changes in the title later. (For example wrong possessives in title) The Sort title was still the "old" one, so wrong titles will rest forever as sort title?! 
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantJ68
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Hi All,
Thanks for the quick responses on this.  I'll make my changes now 
All the best.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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The sort titlefield rellative to the Online database is completely controlled by Invelos as it should be.Many years ago we had users trying to manipulate the Online to meet their particular requirements for sorting. For example, a user who wants to sort all the James Bonds together, a reasonable idea LOCALLY,might use James Bond 004, instead of Thunderball.Most users however are going to  go looking for Thunderball, not some arcane personalsort system designed by one user, Ken initially publicly stated that from thispoint forward Sort=Title, this did not stop the users who wanted the online to match their personal desires and requirements, so ultimately Ken decided to make Sort Title a completely personal and non-contributable field.Now Invelos controls the Online sort to whatever parameters they are using. Very simple and very straight forward.
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It might also be possible that the sort title onlinbe is created by the same rules that apply when I empty that field and let DVDP fill it.

That would be nice, but no, that's not happening.

I'm not sure about this, but yes unfortunately I do see some strange sort titles downloaded from the online database. Either those are legacy data or indeed the sort title of the initial contribution gets entered into the online database when it is not empty or the default value.
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
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Based on my experience, the sort title will always match what is in the title field when it is first contributed.  When I create a brand new profile, I never fill in the sort title, yet it always matches.

That's what I also think.
I just checked a few profiles which got changes in the title later. (For example wrong possessives in title) The Sort title was still the "old" one, so wrong titles will rest forever as sort title?! 

Yep, that is an unfortunate side effect...once accepted, even if it is later found to be wrong, it is can't be fixed.
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Don't say can't, Martian. I have in the past dropped a note to Invelos on such things and seen them corrected, BUT it is annoying when it happens and the fix does take time.
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I guess I should have been more clear...I meant can't be fixed by us.
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
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The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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True
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I don't think the "Sort Title" contributes at all.

If I am not mistaken, it is only a local option.  When you enter a new title, it will default to what you entered, unless you change it.  I even think on new additions, it doesn't fill in the sort title until it is in your local DB

So a title update would never update a sort title, it is a personal choice.

Now I would favor a check box (or something) to allow the sort title to change when title is updated, but only as an option.

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The original question has been answered fully by lots of people but I would like to add that the last time I tried it (some while ago!) if you have DVDP Mobile and add a title through that the Sort Title was set to be blank.
This may have been fixed through as my mobile device went 'bang' some time ago and I haven't been able to use Mobile for a while!
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