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| Registered: November 24, 2008 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,275 |
| | Posted: | | | | I was about to contribute these two Alan Parker's to the BY thread when I realised that they have the same Birth Year! Cripes, what do I do now?  Alan Parker (1944) Writer/Producer/Director - Bugsy Malone, Midnight Express, The Commitments http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Parker http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000570/ Alan Parker (1944) Musician/Composer - Dempsey and Makepeace, Minder, Jaws 3 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Parker_(musician) http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0662029/ |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | At this time there is nothing that can be done for the main online database. Some people are using fake birthyears for these occasions... but that is a local only solution of course. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | The only possible solution I can think of is to find a middle initial for one or the other.
Then, we could add the full name to the appropriate person and use the credited as feature.
The only thing is would this be appropriate per the rules? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | nope it wouldn't Kathy... as you must use credited as and the most commonly credited for common name. So if the most commonly credited form for both names is Alan Parker... that is what would need to be used. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
nope it wouldn't Kathy... as you must use credited as and the most commonly credited for common name. So if the most commonly credited form for both names is Alan Parker... that is what would need to be used. I don't think I explained clearly although the end result might still be the same. #1 Alan Parker (1944) listed in credits as Alan Parker #2 Alan Parker (1944) listed in credits as Alan Parker Current credits: #1 Alan Parker (1944) as Actor #2 Alan Parker (1944) as Actor As it is now the data is useless. So I do some research and find that #1 Alan Parker's middle initial is Z. So, in the database the credits would be: Alan Z. Parker [Alan Parker] (1944) as Actor Alan Parker (1944) as Actor Of course I would include documentation of why the addition of a middle initial is included. | | | | Last edited: by Kathy |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 2,362 |
| | Posted: | | | | The best thing would be to have one with a BY and one without!  Kelvin |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | I understood you completely.. But like I said Kathy... that can't be done... as Ken clearly stated that the common name is not about what the real name is... that it is to be the most commonly credited form. So if with middle initial is not the most commonly credited form from the credits it can't be used as the common name. So I would have to vote no such a situation as you describe. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Rutan: Quote:
The best thing would be to have one with a BY and one without!
Kelvin Works locally of course... but don't work for the online. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Rutan: Quote:
The best thing would be to have one with a BY and one without!
Kelvin You may be teasing but...why not? This is such a simple solution. The only thing is how to determine, in this very rare cases, who gets the BY? How about who was born first?  |
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  | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 8,733 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote:
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The best thing would be to have one with a BY and one without!
Kelvin
You may be teasing but...why not? This is such a simple solution. I've said it (many times) before and I'll say it again: never ever just add ONE birth year in your local database when you've got two people with the same name. Why not? Because the minute you find yourself having to restore from a backup for whatever reason at some point (if not some kind of crash, then maybe a move to a new computer), then name-with-BY and name-without-BY will automatically be lumped together into one name-with-BY entry, undoing all the work you've done to separate the two. That's why. Case in point: if you have an "Alan Parker (1944)" and an "Alan Parker" entry, they will be merged into one single "Alan Parker (1944)" entry, without so much as a warning, when you restore a full backup. Fake birth years are your friends, really. I'd venture a guess and say that there's probably not a single user here on these forums that should have a less than - let's aim low here - say a hundred fake birth years in your database. If you don't, that means that you're bound to have huge amounts of credits for entirely different people (with the same common name) incorrectly linked together. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Right... so even while it will work in short term in local... it really isn't that smart to do it locally in the long run either. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | Oh T!M why must you confuse me with the facts?!?
I knew it was too easy to work darn it. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,491 |
| | Posted: | | | | This is why it is so important for us to eventually add roman numerals ... For conflicts like this..  I see that - Alan Parker was Appointed a C.B.E. in 1995 and knighted in the 2002 New Year's Honours List. Now known as Sir Alan Parker. so maybe add a Sir to his moniker ... | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | No different then the middle initial... that other then locally it can't be done for the online if it isn't the most commonly credited form of his name in the credits. | | | | Pete |
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
it can't be done for the online if it isn't the most commonly credited form of his name in the credits. Better yet: even if he was credited mostly with "Sir", then the latest (inexplicable) rule change on honorifics would still dictate that "Sir" can only go into the "credited as" field... |
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| Registered: January 1, 2009 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
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The best thing would be to have one with a BY and one without!
Kelvin
Works locally of course... but don't work for the online. It does work online also. The problem is the linking/transfomring the program does at downloading such a profile. (See also T!M's post for the restore problem) You need to do some little work on you local database to get this work. One way would be to add a Headshot or any other pic to the actor without birth year. (At a full backu-up these get also saved.) Or you've to add a fake birth year. (Not allowed to contribute) I suggest adding a fake birth year lower than the actor with birth year has in database, because online actors without birth year get transformed/linked to the local actor with lowest birth year. |
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