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| Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 865 |
| | Posted: | | | | I have a small question.
I recently did a full audit of Tora! Tora! Tora! In it there is a credit 'An Elmo Williams/Richard Fleischer production leading to an Producer credit. Later on Elmo Williams receives a Produced by credit.
In my initial update i, also because i use custom roles, i added him twice. However people commented on this. What is the official rule on this? I think that since he's credited we should to, even though without custom credits it looks a bit strange.
Would it have been in the cast, say John Doe as Agent Stone and later under a Cops header as well we wouldn't leave him out either.
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| Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,850 |
| | Posted: | | | | I'd imagine he only produced the film one time.
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| Registered: April 14, 2007 |  Posts: 415 |
| | Posted: | | | | Multiple credits in the cast or crew is fine if they have different roles, but if the role is the same (Producer/Producer) then there should only be one credit.
The 'A Name production' credit is only supposed to be used if there's no 'Produced by Name' credit... |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 865 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote:
I'd imagine he only produced the film one time.
--------------- I understand, but which credit should we use than if using custom roles? And in which order? Do we go for: Richard Fleischer - An Richard Fleischer production Elmo Williams - Produced by or Elmo Williams - An Elmo Williams production Richard Fleischer - An Richard Fleischer production Also as i said before, i cast we would credit someone twice (John Doe as Agent Stone [Cops]John Doe as Agent Stone. Paul |
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  | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 8,733 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting jmbox: Quote:
Multiple credits in the cast or crew is fine if they have different roles, but if the role is the same (Producer/Producer) then there should only be one credit.
The 'A Name production' credit is only supposed to be used if there's no 'Produced by Name' credit... This. There are literally thousands and thousands of very mainstream films that have both "a <name> production" and a "produced by <name>" credit. I really don't want to enter all of those as two producer credits. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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| Registered: January 1, 2009 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | For the online database I would never add a double entry for the same person with the same job. |
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| Registered: April 3, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 1,998 |
| | Posted: | | | | I have a similar one to this and am wondering what to do?
In the opening credits A Sandy Howard/Richard Harris Production = Producer
but they are also in the end credits as Executive Producers so should i credit them twice |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | No. They were not Producer and Executive producer, so they should not be included. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| Registered: January 1, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
No. They were not Producer and Executive producer, so they should not be included. What have I missed?  For the Producer credit, I could understand this: Quoting jmbox: Quote:
The 'A Name production' credit is only supposed to be used if there's no 'Produced by Name' credit... Even if I couldn't find this exception in the rules. But if they're credited as Executive Producers, why shouldn't we include them? | | | | Last edited: by VirusPil |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | The 'A Name production' credit is only supposed to be used when there is no other producer credit for that person. Executive Producer is a Producer credit so that is the credit that should be used. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
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| Registered: April 3, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,998 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
No. They were not Producer and Executive producer, so they should not be included. This is what i was thinking that they can't be both Producers and executive Producers on the same film? So basically if someone is credited as Producer or Executive Producer we ignore the A [Name] Production credit |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Let me see if I can explain this a little more. While this page is a little dated, the information is still accurate. Here are the pertinent parts: Quote:
The highest ranking producer is simply called Producer. This is the person ultimately responsible for the film. He or she is also the person who collects the Oscar if the movie wins an Academy Award.
After that comes Executive Producer, who is involved in the development, financing or production of the movie, but generally not all three. You can't be the Producer and Executive Producer as they are two different tiers of production. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,328 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Let me see if I can explain this a little more. While this page is a little dated, the information is still accurate. Here are the pertinent parts:
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The highest ranking producer is simply called Producer. This is the person ultimately responsible for the film. He or she is also the person who collects the Oscar if the movie wins an Academy Award.
After that comes Executive Producer, who is involved in the development, financing or production of the movie, but generally not all three.
You can't be the Producer and Executive Producer as they are two different tiers of production. Are you sure? There are plenty of people who've been credited both as Executive Producer and Producer in the same film. | | | | My Home Theater |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 20,111 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting xradman: Quote:
Are you sure? There are plenty of people who've been credited both as Executive Producer and Producer in the same film. Indeed. I've seen plenty of people credited as both in a film before. | | | | Corey |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting xradman: Quote:
Are you sure? There are plenty of people who've been credited both as Executive Producer and Producer in the same film. I was fairly sure...up until you made your post. I don't think I have seen a film that had the same person credited as both, could you provide an example as it doesn't make sense to me. If you are the Producer, the highest tier, why credit yourself as Executive Producer as well? | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: May 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | I think this may describe a bit better
"A film producer or movie producer is someone who selects a screenplay, initiating the process of film making. The title Executive Producer is normally reserved for a producer with a financial interest in the production. The producer oversees the whole process including co-coordinating, supervising and controlling matters such as fund-raising, hiring key personnel such as the film director, other producers involved on production, line producer, accountant and arranging for distribution. They also advise and control creating the scenes and conditions for making movies. The producer is involved throughout all phases of the film-making process from development to completion of a project. In the first half of the 20th century, the producer also tended to wield ultimate creative control on a film project. In the U.S., with the demise of Hollywood's studio system in the 1950s, creative control began to shift into the hands of the director."
If you take this definition, then a person could be a producer "oversees and coordinates the film process" and an executive producer "Financial stake".
I would actually bet that there are more like this than we actually see.
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