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Using group dividers to separate technical crews from different companies |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 45 |
| | Posted: | | | | I have noticed that some people are using these group dividers for all kind of reasons. Someone in my country group is using it for dividing technical crew by company. Is this a new trend or simply an individual action. Probably the last. But is this extra work really necessary? Somebody for instance could also begin by creating separate groups of crew sometimes shown in big budget movies (crew in London, New York, etc. ... or first, second crew, the possibilities are endless, but the workload is then also endless and it makes the listings too long. Personally I don't see a real practical use for these special divisions. I like to reject these changes, but they are sometimes accepted. What do you all think?
Greetings
marnix
Antwerp - Belgium |
| | Registered: January 1, 2009 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting marnix64: Quote:
... Someone in my country group is using it for dividing technical crew by company. Is this a new trend or simply an individual action. ... Would it be this from the rules? Quote:
•Also use Group dividers for crew teams, included only if the crew meets the other listing requirements. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | Unit crew is specifically prohibited by the rules and should not be entered. | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
| | Registered: January 1, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting KinoNiki: Quote:
Unit crew is specifically prohibited by the rules and should not be entered. This would be Crew in London, New York, ... |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting VirusPil: Quote:
Quoting KinoNiki:
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Unit crew is specifically prohibited by the rules and should not be entered.
This would be Crew in London, New York, ... Actually, this is still open to interpretation. There are films where the location crew is not unit crew, Babel is the first that comes to mind. In those cases, location crew should be included with a divider. Crew labeled as 'unit' crew, however, should be left out. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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|   | Corne | | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
| Registered: April 5, 2007 |  Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting VirusPil:
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Quoting KinoNiki:
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Unit crew is specifically prohibited by the rules and should not be entered.
This would be Crew in London, New York, ...
Actually, this is still open to interpretation. There are films where the location crew is not unit crew, Babel is the first that comes to mind. In those cases, location crew should be included with a divider. Crew labeled as 'unit' crew, however, should be left out. Agreed | | | | Cor | | | | Last edited: by Corne |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting VirusPil: Quote:
Quoting KinoNiki:
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Unit crew is specifically prohibited by the rules and should not be entered.
This would be Crew in London, New York, ... No, it would NOT. Martian has it right | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting marnix64: Quote:
I have noticed that some people are using these group dividers for all kind of reasons. Someone in my country group is using it for dividing technical crew by company. Is this a new trend or simply an individual action. Probably the last. But is this extra work really necessary? Somebody for instance could also begin by creating separate groups of crew sometimes shown in big budget movies (crew in London, New York, etc. ... or first, second crew, the possibilities are endless, but the workload is then also endless and it makes the listings too long. Personally I don't see a real practical use for these special divisions. I like to reject these changes, but they are sometimes accepted. What do you all think?
Greetings
marnix
Antwerp - Belgium Sorry to drop by again folks: as this post has mostly to do with my contributions. never contributed 2nd crew crew, only allowed crew per rules by company or location and as you said all accepted by Invelos Rules: Last Updated: May 14, 2010 Credits: Crew and Cast <= click hereQuote:
List individual credits only, not company name credits. Exception: If a company name heads a group of crew, use the Group divider to enter the company name. @KinoNiki if we follow your strict understanding of the rules, we could not profile any post production crew? Enjoy profiling, keep up the good work: never ending story regards, . | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. |
| | Registered: January 1, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting VirusPil:
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Quoting KinoNiki:
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Unit crew is specifically prohibited by the rules and should not be entered.
This would be Crew in London, New York, ...
Actually, this is still open to interpretation. There are films where the location crew is not unit crew, Babel is the first that comes to mind. In those cases, location crew should be included with a divider. Crew labeled as 'unit' crew, however, should be left out. Thanks for clarification.  Edit: Btw, also to Corne and Skip. | | | | Last edited: by VirusPil |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 45 |
| | Posted: | | | | So should we say: Try to keep it simple and use the dividers only to clarify. Only to give essential information for instance when each crew is as important as the other. As Babel plays on 3 locations and it interconnects this is important. Otherwise it isn't necessary and not advised to be used. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Marnix:
Simple question
Does it say London Unit---if it does do NOT enter the data for Contribution
Does it say London or London Crew---Fine, enter the data. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting .: Quote:
...Sorry to drop by again folks:...
. I'm not. In fact Giga, just seeing your . once again brought a smile to my face!  | | | | Last edited: by Kathy |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting .: Quote:
if we follow your strict understanding of the rules, we could not profile any post production crew?
Such as? If my understanding is strict, it's only because the wording of the rules is strict. But if location crew is not unit crew, then I guess we have some work to do... | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Kino: I don't know that I would go so far as to call them Units. There are, the majority of the time I think, instances where they are referred to as So and So Unit. BUT, sometimes they are simply called London Crew, Wherever Crew...why, I don't know, I would suspect that a London CREW would indicate that some principal production took place in London, as opposed to just being a Unit crew<shrugs>, but i am not sure, the Keyword i would use, at least for now UNIT, if it is not there then go ahead, if it is STOP, Do NOT Pass Go, Do NOT Collect $200.  | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: May 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Marnix:
Simple question
Does it say London Unit---if it does do NOT enter the data for Contribution
Does it say London or London Crew---Fine, enter the data. I don't necessarily agree with this. I think we need to look at what the "Unit" is doing. Whereas a "Second Unit" typically is filming supporting shots (background, crowds, etc), a crew labeled as "(choose your location) Unit", may very well be more of a location crew. We cannot trust how film makers label there sections. There was an interesting thought in the previous discussion as to whether or not the "unit" has it's own director or not. 2nd Units typically have there own director, where as location crews do not (not an absolute by any stretch) IMO Charlie |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | In an ideal world that would be great, and in a way the rules currently support it. They say:
Do not enter unit crew such as "Unit Photographer"
So if you can document that the crew you've entered aren't "unit crew" (even if the word appears in the credits) then it conforms with the rule.
However, that does require a working knowledge of what a unit crew does, and not everyone has that, so the rule is interpreted more literally now - and anything with the word "unit" in it is banned.
I'm unclear as to how to best get round this, but I agree - unit crew tend to have their own directors, maybe that is a good place to start. |
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