Title says it all. Discuss.

For me a text commentary is a subtitle like overlay. A trivia track should be audio but it's not how it appears on the disks; the QT disks and many others have trivia tracks that are text based. I suppose we revert back to first principals and go with what the disk menu/case calls it or what most closely fits a dictionary definition.

Most text commentaries I have seen are just a subtitles to an existing audio commentary.  Trivia tracks that I have seen are subtitles that are usually film factoids or some other short textural pieces of information.  Don't think I have seen a DVD or Blu-ray using a audio trivia track but, there is always a first.

Quoting Katatonia:

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The titles in question are the Star Trek DVD's which list "Text Commentary" on the cover/discs by the author(s) of the Star Trek Encyclopedia, but are being changed to "Trivia".

I'm leaning towards voting No, but for now am just Neutral on those.

These discs always bugged, they are contributed with Text Commentary in Other Features.  But, the rules say use the Commentary check box for either Audio or Text Commentary.

Quoting northbloke:

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I would vote "no" on this. If it's labelled as a "text commentary" on the cover or in the menus, then we tick the commentary box. It's not listed as Trivia on the cover, so why list it as Trivia in the profile?

Yes, the more I think of that, I have to fully agree and have changed my votes to "No" in the contributions in question.

Quoting Tracer:

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In the case of these movies I haven't watched the Text Commentary track to see if it really is a Trivia track.  So can't say in this case but, if it really is a Trivia subtitle that should out weigh the menu or cover.

The thing is, is that it's a "Text Commentary" by two people on a couple of the Star Trek movies, and they are listed as authors of a published encyclopedia. The text commentary plays as if it was definitely scripted of course (as some audio commentaries do), but I could often imagine a person vocalizing it on an actual audio commentary.

I've always thought commentaries are by some identifiable person or people whereas trivia is just presented as a list of facts not representing any particular person's view.

Another possible standard would be to call it whatever the DVD calls it.

Or we could always use trivia for this sort of thing and use commentary only for subtitles of an audio commentary.

Uuuuh... I see where this comes from, I voted No to the first submission to this changes, but it doesn't seem to be a problem of the outdated comparsion screen – the screen shows "Audio Commentaries" instead of "Commentaries" (only) as IMO any kind of textual commentaries are included per definition in the Contribution Rules.

Til today, it seemed pretty clear to me: a Trivia (subtitle) track is a Text Commentary, so you check the "Commentaries" box in the Features section and the "Trivia" box in the Subtitles section. If it's an Audio Commentary you check the same box in the Features section and enter it into the Audio section, and if the same Audio Commentary is subtitled, then you check additionally the "Commentary" box in the Subtitles section.

The reason for a "Trivia" entry in the Subtitles section is obviously to keep the subtitles for an audio commentary apart from the text commentary subtitles (same as Fun Facts, an other pop-up text tidbits) – not to judge the content and quality of the "commentary". But of course you need to ask Ken what the intention of the "Trivia" entry is, because unfortunatly it isn't specified in the Contribution Rules.

Quoting M_E:

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Uuuuh... I see where this comes from, I voted No to the first submission to this changes, but it doesn't seem to be a problem of the outdated comparsion screen – the screen shows "Audio Commentaries" instead of "Commentaries" (only) as IMO any kind of textual commentaries are included per definition in the Contribution Rules.

Til today, it seemed pretty clear to me: a Trivia (subtitle) track is a Text Commentary, so you check the "Commentaries" box in the Features section and the "Trivia" box in the Subtitles section. If it's an Audio Commentary you check the same box in the Features section and enter it into the Audio section, and if the same Audio Commentary is subtitled, then you check additionally the "Commentary" box in the Subtitles section.

The reason for a "Trivia" entry in the Subtitles section is obviously to keep the subtitles for an audio commentary apart from the text commentary subtitles (same as Fun Facts, an other pop-up text tidbits) – not to judge the content and quality of the "commentary". But of course you need to ask Ken what the intention of the "Trivia" entry is, because unfortunatly it isn't specified in the Contribution Rules.

That actually makes a lot more sense than anything I've heard up to this point. I'm more inclined to vote Yes now...but it still seems like a fine line and easily confused.