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Two Discs, one UPC
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantMiDiAN
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Hi,

I am trying to figure out, how to vote on a contribution of one of my Blu-rays.
The contribution came up for the third time now, twice by the same user. Before i decline it again, i wanted to see what other say to this case.
The german "Cabin Fever" Blu-ray came out with with the ean/upc:  4-041658-293501 (i can verify this on my Blu-ray's back cover, which i bought one day before the official release day)
The german "Dread" Blu-ray came out about 4 weeks later with the same ean/upc.
According to the labels (both are by Sunfilm) official website, the given UPC is the UPC for "Dread" while "Cabin Fever" has a different UPC (4-041658-293990 which really does exist in the online database).
So apparently Sunfilm screwed up and printed a wrong upc on Cabin Fever.

As far as i know, when 2 Discs have the same upc, the first one in the db gets to stay, while the second one has to be entered via disc-id/manually.
My Question is: Does this apply to this case too? Or does the Cabin Fever Data get replaced since it seems to be an error?

Regards
Stefan
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Yes it does.
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Skip is absolutely right.  It doesn't matter that the initial printing was in error - it is still the initial printing and therefore stays.  Dread will have to be entered under Disc ID.
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So apparently Sunfilm screwed up and printed a wrong upc on Cabin Fever.

As far as i know, when 2 Discs have the same upc, the first one in the db gets to stay, while the second one has to be entered via disc-id/manually.
My Question is: Does this apply to this case too? Or does the Cabin Fever Data get replaced since it seems to be an error?

Regards
Stefan

I always find things like this difficult to judge. Although technically Cabin Fever should remain on the UPC, it may be worth considering what is best for the community. Are the majority of users typing in the UPC expecting to see Cabin Fever or Dread? I suppose it all depends on how many "incorrect" UPCs managed to get out there before the cover was changed. If you were to buy Cabin Fever, what UPC would you expect the profile to use?

I would say, use your best judgement, if you think most people with this UPC will expect to see Cabin Fever, continue to vote no. But if you think the majority of buyers will expect to see Dread on this UPC and Cabin Fever on the other UPC, I would maybe turn a blind eye for the good of the community.
Although I have to admit the fact that no one has yet created a Cabin Fever profile on the "proper" UPC suggests to me that following the rules is the best course of action in this case.
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Question is though:  A lot of us don't have Blue Ray DVD roms.., as they are quite expensive compared to regular dvd roms .. If you can't enter the disc ID  and you can't use UPC  what do you do then??
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantMiDiAN
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Thanks for your confirmation.

@Northbloke: I know, this is exactly why i made this post. I hoped to be wrong because i'd guess there would be more Dread Discs than Cabin Fever misprints (if the misprint really is just a small portion of the discs). But since I don't know any numbers I'll have to follow the rule. (which i know I would have to follow anyways)

@widescreenforever: You could still add it as a manual-disc but you would not get any updates from the online db and can not submit it.

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Stefan
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Thanks for your confirmation.

@widescreenforever: You could still add it as a manual-disc but you would not get any updates from the online db and can not submit it.

Regards
Stefan


Yes but in order to make it a manual add in  you have to put or insert the disc so the program can manually use the disc id to write its' own ID make up .. The better thing to do- if this was my case- is to use another (same title dvd) region or locality and copy that to your program but use the original scans and locality to your region ... That way you could at least get any updates to THAT title ,, .
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I would say that we have to follow the Rules unless given a specific exception by Ken.

To be honest this is one of those very rare occasions where I'd say it is appropriate to have an exception given the printing was simply in error and it never had that UPC, just that printing - I mean if the title on the cover as well as the UPC was printed incorrectly so it had Dread as the front cover title and the Dread UPC but the Cabin Fever overview and Cabin Fever disc inside would we say it should be profiled as Title: Dread (from cover), Original title (from film): Cabin Fever? The Rules say we should but really?

However, I'm not Ken so I don't get to make that call.
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Hmm, then I've to rethink the last votes. 

If Cabin Fever with this UPC really exist, what I now believe if a user owns it. 
All what I could found showed that the contributor is correct. So it had to be a mistake that got really fast corrected. 

I've to agree, that on how we threat such problems til now, the existing will remain, even if the majority of users that enter the UPC get the wrong matching profile. 

Edit: Btw, this will be a profile where the ping-ponging will last a long time. 
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Virus:

I have to explain this again? It may be an error, but there may also be some of those errors which escaped into private hands. Errors can be valuable as well, so the answer is simple as with most things...just follow the Rules and Duplicate UPCs are treated by Disc ID on any subsequent release beyond a first. It doesn't matter if only one error escaped into private hands, that single copy now has the potential to become highly prized and valuable, whty should it's history not be available. Just because someone doesn;t want to worry about it, but instead wants to be able to ignore it so they can track their own....Excuse me for being blunt but NO.

Errors in any field of collecting have typically become highly prized and sometimes exceedingly valuable. Now I will say if you look at any Stamp Collector's Catalog, you will se any possible variants recorded, this is done so people can track them and so that people can figure out what is going on if they run across an upside down airplane in their daily life.. It has not been purged from the catalog because there is only a handful that ever escaped the confines othe US Post Office, if ONE did, that is enough.. This could be a highly controversial topic TODAY, but what about 20 or 30 years hence, when you happen to discover one of these errors. Are you going to remember any of this...no, you are only going to see that it is not in the catalog because somebody somewhere understood little about collecting and that mistakes can be valuable. 20 or 30 years from nowe you could be holding a copy worth thousands or even millions of dollars but would be none the wiser because there is no informatuion about because a user said it was a mistake and the UPC was replaced and given to another title 20 or 30 years ago and the record was removed and changed...really how does that mistake explain that you are holding one in your hand.
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Perhaps it sounded different, but I didn't said something different?!
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My bad I misunderstood you, Virus.
ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video
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BTW Virus, I remember a few years ago Paramount released Star Trek: Generations I think it was the SCE. It contained some sort of insignifcant mistake. It was discovered  before the release date, Paramount recalled the movie and printed a sticker for the ones that were sent back, perhaps they simply sent the stuickers to the retailers and moved the release date out 2 weeks later. K-Mart did not exercise the recall, they put their copies on the shelves on the Original release date. I know, that's where my copy came from. I am sure their reasoning was it would cost more to recall them than it would to sell them so....they sold them.
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I think the rule should be different, but it is what it is.
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My bad I misunderstood you, Virus.


No prob. 
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I think with the currect size of 486525, the chance is high there are much more misprints that we know yet.
And yes, perhaps some will be very rare and interesting for some collectors.

And also many DVDs in database that have not a unique UPC.

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I think the rule should be different, but it is what it is.


I think it would be hard to distinguish which is the profile that should be in database. So I can't think how the ruling to could be done to find another way.
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