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Why do people submit changes that they can't explain? (Locked)
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I have seen a lot of profile submissions lately where the user states that they don't know what changed in the overview, but the system flagged it as a change, so they clicked the box to submit it.

It seems to me that the safer way is to not check the box if you don't know what changed.

I am not trying to call anyone out on this. But I am trying to understand why someone would do it.

If you are a user that has been doing this, you might just think about it before you check the box to submit the change next time.

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Not sure why people do that, but isn't this a bug?  I thought I heard something about it...also thought it had been fixed.
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I thought it had something to do with removing excess code for italics and bold or something?

I could be talking out of me derriere, though.

(I really typed derriere this time.)
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I think it had something to do with the order of the bold and italics coding.
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Well the point remains as Paul noted basically, if they don't see a problem then they have the choice to not make the Contribution. If they have no idea what is being "corrected" they could also be introducing an error. Werre it me, and I have seen these as well not just in Overviews, if you can't explain the correction or if you are simply supposedly propagating something uin profiler, then don't do it, chances are hitgh whatever you are doingis probably WRONG. Something else I have see a lot of lately is notes referring to a BY, which sounds fine. But why do we use BY? Ummmm because there is more than one by that name? yet they are providing NO documentation to support that the BY  they are using belongs to that particular person.
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I've submitted these overview changes, and honestly, I'll probably do it again.

To my understanding, it was some sort of bug with whatever was changed in the latest update that the overview would be flagged for contribution. If the "new" overview is submitted, again, it's my understanding (as I've tested it) that the overview will no longer be flagged for contribution. I'm sure the bug or the excess code or whatever the problem is will at one point be fixed, but until that time, if there's absolutely no change (and there's not... every single one of them I've submitted, and it's only been about five or six, I've thoroughly and completely gone over, letter by letter, space by space, and they're identical) and it'll stop them from being flagged for submission again, what's the harm in submitting them? It'll stop a bunch of confusion for maybe a newer contributor who has no idea what's going on, and if I can save someone a bit of hassle, I'll happily do it.

As long as the work by the contributor is being done (checking if anything was changed, what was changed etc. etc.) there's no harm in submitting them.
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Hit View Source on the contribution page, and then compare them. But this is not easy as you have to scroll horizontally to see all the text. I copied the entries to a text compare app for one of mine and stated the difference in my notes.

In mine the closing HTML tags for bold and italic were switched. Previously they were not in standard HTML order (which is outer, inner, inner, outer), but in the new version they were fixed.
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This was previously discussed here, and yes, the affected overviews do need to be resubmitted once.
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What I don't understand is why these overviews can't be fixed on the server side.
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Quoting Merrik:
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I've thoroughly and completely gone over, letter by letter, space by space, and they're identical) and it'll stop them from being flagged for submission again, what's the harm in submitting them? It'll stop a bunch of confusion for maybe a newer contributor who has no idea what's going on, and if I can save someone a bit of hassle, I'll happily do it.

As long as the work by the contributor is being done (checking if anything was changed, what was changed etc. etc.) there's no harm in submitting them.


I don't know how you have done the contribution notes, but generally...

It is just a question of bad contribution notes, in most cases, I believe. If the contributor has done the careful checking as you described, they should simply state that the overview does match the back cover despite it being flagged as changed - instead of using contribution notes such as "Overview shows as changed, I don't know why" which indicates that the contributor is not sure if there are differences and doesn't even care.

It's not that the contributor should be able to pinpoint, what has changed (as it's not possible in this case), but instead note that the contributed overview is (now) correct, for the benefit of voters. That's all that is required.

Nobody should be expected to vote yes on contributions that the contributor him-/herself doesn't know what changes it possibly contains.
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I am one of those who submit that change. I always refresh my database before making any changes on a movie (the only things I have locked are Genre and Cover Images).

If the Overview comes up, then invelos is propagating that change. I double check for any visible changes and, if there aren't any, I make a note of that fact.

To me, this is no different than invelos propagating other changes such as Jr. or Sr. data or the parsing of names.

As long as I double check to see if the data is correct, even if it appears to be no change at all, and document my findings, then I will continue to tick the Overview box and submit the data.
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I've done exactly the same. If the overview shows up in the comparison screen and I know I haven't changed it I will compare them visually and if they're the same I will tick the box anyway and make a note in the contribution notes.
But a server-side fix would have been nicer.
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Quoting Kathy:
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I am one of those who submit that change. I always refresh my database before making any changes on a movie (the only things I have locked are Genre and Cover Images).

If the Overview comes up, then invelos is propagating that change. I double check for any visible changes and, if there aren't any, I make a note of that fact.

To me, this is no different than invelos propagating other changes such as Jr. or Sr. data or the parsing of names.

As long as I double check to see if the data is correct, even if it appears to be no change at all, and document my findings, then I will continue to tick the Overview box and submit the data.


Exactly how I do, and will continue to do.
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Ditto Kathy.
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Thanks, to all of you, for explaining what is happening.  I knew there was something, just didn't know what.
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