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ordering a set of non-standard credits
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorDanae Cassandra
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The credits in question are for the film The Duke is Tops, from 1938.  The credits are at the start of the film.

They run thusly:

4 Top Billed Actors
Crew
Specialties
Full Cast List

The Specialties are actors/musicians who did specialty dance & song numbers in the film.  The full cast list includes the top billed actors listed again.

Now, I understand the rule that the cast are to be listed in order credited.  However I am a bit concerned on this one.  The way I see it there are three options for order:

1.  Top Billed Actors -> Specialties -> Rest of Cast
2.  Specialties -> Full Cast List
3.  Full Cast List -> Specialties

I am fairly certain that #3 is incorrect, but it is what I am going to use locally.  However, since I am fairly certain that either #1 or #2 are correct for contribution I am willing to submit in that order and then reorder them for my local.

So, which should it be?
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This is, indeed, a tough one.  I think I would go with option 1.  I might even list the top billed actors twice.
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I think number one's your best bet too.
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If I had to, I'd go with 1 and I certainly would not list the top billed twice.  Not much different between that and the modern convention of listing the top billed at the front of the movie and then again in a full cast list at the end.
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If I had to, I'd go with 1 and I certainly would not list the top billed twice.  Not much different between that and the modern convention of listing the top billed at the front of the movie and then again in a full cast list at the end.


I would do this.
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Thanks guys!  #1 it is.

Now, onto a fresh set of fun with credits. 

These are for the film Trocadero from 1944.
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Specialties
Bob Chester – Matty Malneck
Gus Arnheim – Eddie LeBaron
and Their Orchestras

Wingy Mannone – The Radio Rogues
The Stardusters
Ida James – Patricia Kay
Betty Bradley – Jane Ellison
Snippy—Created by Dave Fleischer


Two questions:

1.  How should I credit the bandleaders & their bands?

Bandleader
Bandleader's Orchestra
etc.

Bandleader
Bandleader
etc.
Bandleader's Orchestra
Bandleader's Orchestra
etc.

Bandleader & His Orchestra
Bandleader & His Orchestra
etc.

2.  Should I credit Dave Fleischer?  (Snippy is an animated character)

Again, much thanks for any opinions. 
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Don't you have any easy ones?

I am assuming that Bob Chester plays the character Matty Malneck and Gus Arnheim plays the character Eddie LeBaron.

If that is the case, and I am sure someone will disagree with me here, I would enter them as follows:

Bob Chester as Matty Malneck
Gus Arnheim as Eddie LeBaron
Bob Chester Orchestra as Themselves
Gus Arnheim Orchestra as Themselves

Or

Bob Chester as Matty Malneck
Gus Arnheim as Eddie LeBaron
Bob Chester Orchestra as The Matty Malneck Orchestra
Gus Arnheim Orchestra as The Eddie LeBaron Orchestra

And, no, I would not list Dave Fleischer as it doesn't say he provided the voice.
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No, Bob Chester, Matty Malneck, Gus Arnheim and Eddie LeBaron are four separate bandleaders with four separate orchestras. 

And, there have been some easy ones in the set (Classic Movie Musicals: Legends of the Stage & Screen - 20 musicals, of which I've finished profiles for 7 of them thus far, so only 2 out of the 7 have been a bit tricky)
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In that case, I would have to go with:

Bandleader & His Orchestra
Bandleader & His Orchestra
etc.
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2.  Should I credit Dave Fleischer?  (Snippy is an animated character)

Again, much thanks for any opinions. 


I'm ignoring No. 1 - it sounds to complicated! 

But for Dave Fleischer, he's definitely not cast, but I think you could add him as crew (OCB) if you wanted to.
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But for Dave Fleischer, he's definitely not cast, but I think you could add him as crew (OCB) if you wanted to.

I don't think so.  By the sound of it, I don't believe the film was based on a character he created, it is a character in the film, that was created by Dave Fleischer.  If I am reading it wrong, then it could be OCB.
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The Martian is correct, Snippy is an animated character, created by Dave Fleischer, who appears in the film.
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I have a similar question.  For an Anime DVD, there's a section for the English cast and it's listed out like this:

English Cast

John Doe                        Jane Doe
Sam Smith                      Sandy Smith
Mickey                            Minnie

When contributing this list, would it go in the order of John, Jane, Sam, Sandy, Mickey, and then Minnie?  Alternating like that?
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There is no consensus on the order in those cases. I try to find a logical order. If i don't find one, I go with left column, then right column as I feel that is most natural.

Others choose to alternate between the left and right column.

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Quoting JamesFerguson:
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I have a similar question.  For an Anime DVD, there's a section for the English cast and it's listed out like this:

English Cast

John Doe                        Jane Doe
Sam Smith                      Sandy Smith
Mickey                            Minnie

When contributing this list, would it go in the order of John, Jane, Sam, Sandy, Mickey, and then Minnie?  Alternating like that?


Many times those lists go alphabetically from left to right, then up to down OR from up to down, then left to right. In those cases I follow the route of alphabetic order. So for me, if it is alphabetically...

Jane Doe                        John Doe
Sam Smith                      Sandy Smith
Mickey                            Minnie

... or alphabetically...

Jane Doe                      Minnie
John Doe                      Sam Smith
Mickey                          Sandy Smith

... I enter them: Jane Doe, John Doe, Mickey, Minnie, Sam Smith, Sandy Smith.

If they are not in alphabetical or any other logical order in either way, those I handle case by case.
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If the list itself is not alphabetical, or otherwise give a hint at the intended order, I will look for another list in the credits that is/does, to discern the intended order.
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