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Jeremiah - Season Two Discrepency
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantMrVideo
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I recently purchased the made to order DVD release of Jeremiah: Season Two.

But none of the UPCs are in the system.  After checking again today, and not seeing them, I went looking for an entry, any entry.

I found one.  UPC 883904-201441.  Personally I do not think that it even exists.  What got shipped was two DVD sets, one with discs 1-4 and the other with discs 5-8.  UPC885444158520 and 885444158568.

How is something like this contributed?  Two separate DVD profiles, one for the discs 1-4 package and the other for the discs 5-8 package?
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The above mentioned profile appears to be a place holder profiler based on an announcement.  I also googled the UPC (883904201441) and quite a few results were returned for Jeremiah: Season 2.

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=883904201441&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&fp=9118ce00d2daff08

Either, that's the UPC being used for the box set by Amazon or it was originally suppose to be the UPC.
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Either, that's the UPC being used for the box set by Amazon or it was originally suppose to be the UPC.


Makes it kinda tough to use a UPC code for a product when the UPC code isn't on the product that is shipped.  It doesn't come in a slipcase with a UPC.  Hell, it doesn't come in a slipcade.  It is two DVD cases, each holding 4 DVDs.  Those two cases have the UPC values I posted.

So, you idea that it is an overall UPC for the roduct is probably right.  But, since that UPC is nowhere to be found in what is actually shipped...
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I would guess the UPC is probably correct, now whether or not Season 2 ever made iot to the shelves is a different story. What is this "made to order", I know what it says to me, which makes me wonder what you concern is.  I gather it shipped with a UPC, so create a profile based on the UPC you received. No big deal and not all that unusual.

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The are only 15 episodes in season 2, and on single layer video on demand copies. That is why they take extra time to deliver them. That is the bad, but if you are like me and want have complete series they will have to do for now. If they were a normal release on 2 layer copies they would easily fit on 4 discs.
Why they are packaged two of 4 discs each who knows. They must be a lawyer involved. There always is anytime something is not logical or rational.
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I would guess the UPC is probably correct, now whether or not Season 2 ever made iot to the shelves is a different story. What is this "made to order", I know what it says to me, which makes me wonder what you concern is.  I gather it shipped with a UPC, so create a profile based on the UPC you received. No big deal and not all that unusual.


Season 2 will never make the shelves in the traditional sense.  It is not mass produced, etc.  MGM decided that there are those who want the show, and to complete the series.  But, because sales was not projected to be enough to make it worth mass producing it, they went they "made to order" route.  The release is available from Amazon (don't know if it is available elsewhere).  When ordered, the discs are burned and placed into the two DVD cases and shipped out.

But, each DVD package has its own UPC, not the UPC listed in the database.  If it were a single UPC, I wouldn't be asking this question.  Should two profiles be made, or use the UPC that is in the database as a parent and add the two DVD sets as children?
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If they were a normal release on 2 layer copies they would easily fit on 4 discs.
Why they are packaged two of 4 discs each who knows.


The discs are DVD-R single layer, hence the reason for 8 discs in two separate DVD cases.
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No it's a completely different product that has no relation to what is there already. you build new profiles basecon the UPCs that you own.
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Should two profiles be made, or use the UPC that is in the database as a parent and add the two DVD sets as children?

Make two profiles, one for each UPC.  I don't know why you would do anything else.
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Should two profiles be made, or use the UPC that is in the database as a parent and add the two DVD sets as children?

Make two profiles, one for each UPC.  I don't know why you would do anything else.

Whether you do Child Profiles is up to you per the Rules. I would.
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Whether you do Child Profiles is up to you per the Rules. I would.


Profiles are needed for each DVD package, but the problem lies with parentage.  While the professor would do parent/child, what is used for the parent?  The UPC that is in the database as a place holder does notphysically exist.  Therefore, a scan cannot be made that contains the UPC code.  Are you allowed to make a parent that uses UPC that doesn't have anything physical?
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Profiles are needed for each DVD package, but the problem lies with parentage.  While the professor would do parent/child, what is used for the parent?  The UPC that is in the database as a place holder does notphysically exist.  Therefore, a scan cannot be made that contains the UPC code.  Are you allowed to make a parent that uses UPC that doesn't have anything physical?

To answer you question, no, you are not allowed to make a parent that uses a UPC that doesn't have anything physical.

That being said, I think you misunderstood the answer Skip gave.  Here is what you must do, per the rules:

  • Create a profile for UPC 885444158520

  • Create a profile for UPC 885444158568


  • You can also, if you want to, create child profiles for the individual discs and attach them to the proper UPC parent.  Those are the child profiles Skip was talking about.

    Ignore the UPC that is already in the db as it doesn't exist and should be removed.
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    DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantMrVideo
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    That being said, I think you misunderstood the answer You can also, if you want to, create child profiles for the individual discs and attach them to the proper UPC parent.  Those are the child profiles Skip was talking about.


    OK, thanks.  Yep, I did misunderstand the type of children he was talking about.

    I can only get the basics in for now, as this week is already loaded down with other committments.
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    DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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    Quoting TheMadMartian:
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    Profiles are needed for each DVD package, but the problem lies with parentage.  While the professor would do parent/child, what is used for the parent?  The UPC that is in the database as a place holder does notphysically exist.  Therefore, a scan cannot be made that contains the UPC code.  Are you allowed to make a parent that uses UPC that doesn't have anything physical?

    To answer you question, no, you are not allowed to make a parent that uses a UPC that doesn't have anything physical.

    That being said, I think you misunderstood the answer Skip gave.  Here is what you must do, per the rules:

  • Create a profile for UPC 885444158520

  • Create a profile for UPC 885444158568


  • You can also, if you want to, create child profiles for the individual discs and attach them to the proper UPC parent.  Those are the child profiles Skip was talking about.

    Ignore the UPC that is already in the db as it doesn't exist and should be removed.

    I diwsagree< Martian.  As was noted if you search on the UPC you will find numerous references about it. Can you be absolutely certain that there are no copies in existence, I can't. It was a legitimate release announcement. It should ONLY be removed it is an illegal entry, which it is not. You couldn't be more wrong.
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    I diwsagree< Martian.  As was noted if you search on the UPC you will find numerous references about it. Can you be absolutely certain that there are no copies in existence, I can't. It was a legitimate release announcement. It should ONLY be removed it is an illegal entry, which it is not. You couldn't be more wrong.

    Just because it was a 'legitimate release announcement' doesn't make it a valid release.  I don't care how many references there are to it, it does not exist as it was never released.  The only place season two is available, and the only place it has ever been available, is via Amazon MOD.
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    Martian it is not in any way an illegal entry and neither you nor I can prove that somehow someone did not manage to get a copy. It may have actually shipped and been recalled, and some store did not honor the recall, we don't know. K-Mart typically doe not honor recalls, if it gets into their store they will sell it. We simply can't know and the fact that we think it was never released does not make it illegal nor does it mean that no one has a copy.
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    Billy Video
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