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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorAce_of_Sevens
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Most anime is unrated in its US release. However, most companies put age suggestions on the packaging. For instance, .hack//Legend of the Twilight has a suggested 13 up logo. Crying Freemen says suggested 17+, Legend of the Dog warriors says 14 in a circle, etc. Different distributors use different logos, but they all are the same basic idea. Is it appropriate to put this info in rating details?

Ideally, we would have a custom rating system for this sort of thing, but this seems the next best option.
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I wouldn't ever use it for anything but the official rating details. Anything else I see come through I wouldn't think twice on voting no to.
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Although I see the logic, I've got to agree with Addicted.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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I wouldn't ever use it for anything but the official rating details. Anything else I see come through I wouldn't think twice on voting no to.

Absolutely AGREE, in a heartbeat

Once again, Ace. ALL you have to do is refer to the Rules, then follow them

"Use the Rating shown on the DVD cover. When there is no rating indicated or no rated version of the film on the disc, use the NR rating. Use the “Adult” rating for all Adult films.

Enter rating details as shown, excluding the rating itself and trailing period. e.g. "Rated R for sci-fi violence and brief language." is entered as "Sci-fi Violence and Brief Language". Obtain the rating details in order of preference from:

    * DVD case, usually on the bottom rear
    * Rating page displayed on-screen
    * Filmratings.com, or the equivalent region-specific ratings information website

For English profiles, capitalize all words except joining words such as "of", "the", "a", "in", etc. For non-English profiles, use capitalization rules common to the language of the profile, as commonly used for titles. In all cases, the first word will be automatically capitalized in your submission."

It is very clear from the Rules that we are interested in OFFICIAL MPAA type ratings, not ratings by anyone else in R1 US. You are of course free to track this data, just keep it LOCAL.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorAce_of_Sevens
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I know what the rules say, but I don't think your inference is that clear. "Suggested 13 up" does seem to be the rating detail that in shown in the case of .hack. It is clearly rating information.
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It's NOT an MPAA rating, Ace. You said so yourself.

But i do understand how desperately you want to be able to apply Data by Ace, to everything and every Genre, even when the Rules tell you not do. You can't even what a Digibook is. Nor can you understand that Technical Effects are NOT part of the data we are tracking, you don't vote YES based on your belief that we should, the fact is we DON"T...yet It's NOT in the list of acceptable Roles for VE

Ace, A Digibook is siomething that was released last year by Warner and so far only Warner uses them. Tghe package looks like a book has pages like a book and contains the Discs in the books. A big set from Fox that happens to have a book in the set, that holds NO discs is NOT a Digibook. it would be nice to see your withdraw that Contribution so someone else does not have to FIX IT.
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I know what the rules say, but I don't think your inference is that clear. "Suggested 13 up" does seem to be the rating detail that in shown in the case of .hack. It is clearly rating information.


Actually you bring up a good point. I don't see in the rules where it says it has to be an MPAA rating.

I'm probably missing it though, so could someone point out where it says it has to be an MPAA rating?
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It's NOT an MPAA rating, Ace. You said so yourself.

Do the rules say MPAA ratings only anywhere or is this just your interpretation?

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Ace, A Digibook is siomething that was released last year by Warner and so far only Warner uses them. Tghe [sic] package looks like a book has pages like a book and contains the Discs in the books. A big set from Fox that happens to have a book in the set, that holds NO discs is NOT a Digibook. it would be nice to see your withdraw that Contribution so someone else does not have to FIX IT.

This has nothing to do with the topic at hand. It seems to be an attempt to erode my credibility, but my credibility isn't the issue here. Besides, this is coming from the guy voting against my contribution on Dark City because he expects the rule to be changed when he has previously said anyone who knowingly votes against the rules should be stripped of their voting privileges.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorDanae Cassandra
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To the topic at hand: 

I'm with Pete.  If it's not an official rating I wouldn't submit it to the online, and would vote no if I saw such as submission.

With distributor applied ratings, which is what the ratings on anime are, how would you decide what rating to use?  Most of these sets are TV, so we'd have to use TV ratings.  Do you decide that 16-Up is the equivalent of TV-14?  Wait, should TV-14 be used for 13-Up?  Maybe 16-Up is TV-MA.  What about the OVAs though?  I believe for anything direct-to-video we use film ratings, so is that 16-Up the equivalent of R?

Or are we just using NR and then placing the distributor applied rating in the details field?  But if there are details, then why is it rated NR?

These are the problems and issues I see with the idea.  I've run across anime profiles incorrectly listed PG-13 for these 13-Up logos and I correct them to NR every time.  While the distributor may be giving an 'age appropriateness' level to the material, these are not rated in the US and the profiles should remain reflective of that.

Now, as far as Crying Freeman goes, I wouldn't vote no to listing it as Adult, but I would vote no to listing it as anything else other than NR.  (It's been so long since I've watched the anime I'm not comfortable changing it until I watch it again, but the manga is definitely Adult)
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Or are we just using NR and then placing the distributor applied rating in the details field?  But if there are details, then why is it rated NR?


Because they didn't supply a rating under a system we track, but did give us rating information of a sort. This is what I'm proposing.
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I can see the point Ace is trying to make since there are some who need these details in order to block certain DVDs. Does the rating details affect this ability or only the rating classification?

I re-read the rules and do not see anything related to MPAA ratings. One final question - are only US films rated by the MPAA?
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I can see the point Ace is trying to make since there are some who need these details in order to block certain DVDs. Does the rating details affect this ability or only the rating classification?

I re-read the rules and do not see anything related to MPAA ratings. One final question - are only US films rated by the MPAA?


MPAA stands for Motion Picture Association of America. For the most part, stuff only gets submitted to the MPAA if it is intended for a wide U.S. theatrical release. You do occasionally see it on DTV stuff,t hough.
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I can see the point Ace is trying to make since there are some who need these details in order to block certain DVDs. Does the rating details affect this ability or only the rating classification?

I re-read the rules and do not see anything related to MPAA ratings. One final question - are only US films rated by the MPAA?

Yes, not only US Films, any film in the US has to be rated by MPAA, even foreign films, just like US Films overseas have to go through the appropriate rating process.

If you read the entire Rule on ratings it is very clear that we are not looking for Distributor Ratings, this as I explained could become a nightmare. I suggest that IF Ace wants to do this he do it locally. I for one have ZERO interest in Distributor Rating, because whatever standard is applied is applied by THEM and is NOT Universal. MPAA relative to the US is Universal, to go after Distributor ratings would then make the system completely unworkable. Then we would have users, probably Ace, start talking about this new rating by this other distributor which we haven't added, kind of like the problem we have have with Languages. We have hypothetically one, for example, Greek user, but he doesn't want to check OTHER. If Ken wants to accomodate this, that his call but it will not be pretty and it will make the database worse because of complexity and sudden inability to craft a simple Rule. But Ace would suddenly be able to get his name up in lights on lots of Profiles because HE wants it. And, Ace, I really DO think this less about data and more about you getting your name attached to a Profile, that is the only conclusion I can come to based on some of the data that you do Contribute, you want your name there and you want the Online to meet YOUR personal preferences, and to that I alwas will say keep it local
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Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:
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If you read the entire Rule on ratings it is very clear that we are not looking for Distributor Ratings, this as I explained could become a nightmare. I suggest that IF Ace wants to do this he do it locally. I for one have ZERO interest in Distributor Rating, because whatever standard is applied is applied by THEM and is NOT Universal...


What are you talking about? I'm not proposing all distributor ratings be added. (Though I'd point out we track the TV ratings, which are distributor applied, even if they are using a standardized system.) I see no value in distinguishing between Bandai's "suggested 13 up" and ADV's "suggested 13+" and I doubt anyone else does either.

I am proposing that we list these as NR, but put any age-appropriateness info that's on the case in the rating info field. This would included the anime ratings, stuff like "parental advisory," "for mature audiences," or "Contains animated violence. Parental guidance is suggested." as this is rating info of a sort even though the titles are unrated. I am further saying this seems to be what the current rules call for.

I would prefer it if Ken gave us the option to enter straight ages, but the above is what I'm actually proposing we do as users.
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