Hello,

In the contributions there has been some discussion and confusion on the title rule, when it comes to box sets. Thus I'd like to present the case here and get some input - and ideally some words from Ken on this, since the rules aren't clear on the case.

It is about the "Hot Shots! Teil 1 + Teil 2" box set (EAN:  4-010232-012227), which includes the disc IDs 46AB-9E11-11DB-BDC8 ("Hot Shots! Die Mutter aller Filme") and A514-19DB-7541-E774 ("Hot Shots! Der zweite Versuch").

Some (including me) argue that although the box set title should be "Hot Shots! Teil 1 + Teil 2" as seen on the fron cover, the child profiles should reflect the real movie titles "Hot Shots! Die Mutter aller Filme" and "Hot Shots! Der zweite Versuch", which are also given in the contents descriptions on the back cover.

Others argue that the child profiles should be called "Hot Shots! Teil 1" and "Hot Shots! Teil 2", although the movies are never called with these individual titles (neither on the cover nor on the discs).

What do you guys/gals think about this? And, Ken, what's you view on this?

In hope of clarification,
Elandril

The artwork on the discs says "Hot Shots! Die Mutter aller Filme" and "Hot Shots! Der zweite Versuch" respectively.

To the original question I don't have a real opinion since I have a different cover anyway (same EAN though) and my title is locked.

But if this goes into yet another contribution round, please check if there's an exclamation mark at the end of "Filme".

At least on my cover and disc label there is one:

The artwork on the Disc, the Rules don't provide for that. The Rules provide for the data on the COVER but not the disc

"Use the title from the front cover."

I guess you just misspoke.

That is what the Rules say, Martian. Now based on the American versions of the films, I suspect that the title is actually

Hot Shots! The second part looks like a tag to me. This is consistent with the Actual film title

Hot Shots! Der zweite Versuch; this is also consistent with the Actual title Hot Shots!: Part Deux

That's what the Rules say, FRONT COVER, personally speaking I still say use the movie iteself for titles, but I understand the logic of using the Front Cover and that is the Rule. There is NO provision for anything else, unless a possessive is involved. Just follow the Rules...it's not hard.

I can't tell you if i would do Child profiles as you suggest, but I suspect that Child Profiles are not at issue here unless they are on two sides, if they are on one side of the disc, then one profile is all there is.

And in the case of child profiles why would you not use the title for each film appropriately. That's just crazy to do something as you suggest. But the base title is very clear. Throws my hands up in the air, weird sometimes you a death on the Rules and other times you seem to go way out on a tangent.

Skip

I see you were busy editing as I was responding...

Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:

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I can't tell you if i would do Child profiles as you suggest, but I suspect that Child Profiles are not at issue here unless they are on two sides, if they are on one side of the disc, then one profile is all there is.

Did you even read the original post?  He said, and I quote, "It is about the "Hot Shots! Teil 1 + Teil 2" box set (EAN:  4-010232-012227), which includes the disc IDs 46AB-9E11-11DB-BDC8 ("Hot Shots! Die Mutter aller Filme") and A514-19DB-7541-E774 ("Hot Shots! Der zweite Versuch")."

This is a Box Set, with two films on two discs, contained in a single case.  Of course there are child profiles.  If there weren't, he wouldn't have asked what the title of the child profiles should be.

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And in the case of child profiles why would you not use the title for each film appropriately.

Because, as you just said to me, there is no provision for it in the rules.  How can you jump on me for suggesting that he use what is printed on the disc, saying that it is against the rules, then turn around and suggest something that is also against the rules? 

Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:

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Ok so you have a parent with two titles and children which relate specifically to ONE film. I have seen such things here all the time. And for another thing a Double-Sided Disc will have nothing printed on it, except the inner Ring.

Hot Shots! Teil 1 + Teil 2
  Hot Shots; Maybe
  Hot Shots: Der zweite Versuch
Still not hard

Except, as you noted, there is no provision for that in the rules.  The rules provide for the data on the cover...which is Hot Shots! Teil 1 + Teil 2...so how can the child profiles have anything but that in them? 

I don't like it, but the rules are the rules.  As I noted, this rule needs to be adjusted.

btw: This is the original cover in question: