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| Registered: May 18, 2007 |  Posts: 389 |
| | Posted: | | | | My question for today is:
Jack Whittingham is credited twice in the beginning credits of "Thunderball",
"Based on an original screenplay by"
"Based on the original story by"
The Dbase has his credits as OMB so should he be credited twice or once? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 951 |
| | Posted: | | | | Should be credited twice one for the Screenplay and one for the Story. | | | Are you local?
This is a local shop the strangers you would bring would not understand us, our customs, our local ways. |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | Could be entered twice, but wouldn't make any sense in my eyes, because our system doesn't differentiate between the different possibilities of an OMB-credit. So if it's all OMB, one entry should suffice. | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 951 |
| | Posted: | | | | Well considering this is another one of those "Based on [anything] By" it would fall under Original Material By. However, I don't remember Thunderball being another movie so this credit probably is for the actual Screenplay.
Are their other writing credits for this movie (like screenplay)? Could it be Jack Whittingham wrote the first screenplay but, they didn't use it directly but, wrote another screenplay based on his screenplay. If so then it would be Original Material by. But, considering the new rule for "Based on [anything] By" it would be Original Material by even if there were no other screenplay credits according to the rules. | | | Are you local?
This is a local shop the strangers you would bring would not understand us, our customs, our local ways. | | | | Last edited: by Tracer |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | You are correct of course.
In this case the "Story By" should get a "Story By" credit.
So it's two entries: "Story By" and either "Screenwriter" or "OMB" depending on if there is another screenwriter credited for this. | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Two credits Screenplay and Story By.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Sorry, but "Story By" would be wrong!
A "Story By" credit means that the person wrote the story specifically for this movie.
"Based on a story by" means the story existed before the concept of the movie came along. Therefore it is an OMB credit.
The only time "Story By" should be used is when it is a stand alone credit in the actual credits.
The same thing is true of "Created By" and "Written by" (actual credits of "Writer" or "Written By"). | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Two credits Screenplay and Story By.
Skip Absolutely wrong! Both of these are OMB credits. This guy did NOT write the screenplay for the movie. | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 8,733 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:
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Two credits Screenplay and Story By.
Skip
Absolutely wrong! Both of these are OMB credits. This guy did NOT write the screenplay for the movie. Indeed. Jack Whittingham provided "original material", but did not write the screenplay. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting hal9g:
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Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:
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Two credits Screenplay and Story By.
Skip
Absolutely wrong! Both of these are OMB credits. This guy did NOT write the screenplay for the movie.
Indeed. Jack Whittingham provided "original material", but did not write the screenplay. Agreed, those are two OMB credits. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | There is a credit in the film for:
Screenplay by Richard Maibaum and John Hopkins
No way does Whittingham get a "Screenplay" credit!!!!! | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Right and that instance on shoehorning completely garbles the infoprmation and makes it WORTHLESS, which is why the user had to ask the question.  Story By and Screenplay By | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | The other credit for Whittingham actually reads:
"Based on the original story by Kevin McClory, Jack Whittingham and Ian Fleming"
Definitely an OMB credit! | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Right and that instance on shoehorning completely garbles the infoprmation and makes it WORTHLESS, which is why the user had to ask the question.
Story By and Screenplay By Give it up, Skip. You are dead wrong! | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | You have given perhaps the best answer fior there needs to be Oen creds. just to keep you garbling the data and making it say something it is NOT. Story By Screenplay By | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Sorry Skip, but you are wrong on this one. According to Wikipedia... Thunderball is the ninth novel by Ian Fleming based on the fictional British Secret Service agent Commander James Bond. Fleming wrote it intending to film it; it is officially credited as 'based on a screen treatment by Kevin McClory, Jack Whittingham, and Ian Fleming', a controversial shared credit that was the result of a courtroom decision. The novel was first published on March 27, 1961, and is technically the first novelisation of a James Bond screenplay, though when written and published, the film had yet to be produced — and when it was, the screenplay was rewritten by others.Whittingham wrote the original story and screenplay, that were turned into a book. The screenplay, that was used for filming, was based on those. So, not only do the credits support OMB, but the actual facts do as well. Edit: Just so we don't get the 'Wikipedia' isn't an accurate source of information, that information is supported by quite a few other movie history sites. Please tell me I don't have to list them all.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
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