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Supervising Sound Mixers
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar Contributoreaglejd
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Do Supervising Sound Mixers rate a credit?

The only other sound credits are:

Production Sound Mixer
Supervising Sound Editor

Jim
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Not in the rules as acceptable then NO.
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Leo is correct, per the crew chart, they are not allowed.
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Thanks, just checking.
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Definitely enter them! These absolutely are, without even so much as a shadow of a doubt, the re-recording mixers we're after. Of course, if you're just collecting data for the sake of collecting data, and you really don't care about who you enter, you could decide otherwise. But if you're remotely interested in accurate data in this crew segment, then they belong there.

And for Ken: to you really should add "supervising sound mixer" to the crew chart. This job description is used more and more in recent films, and though luckily about 98% of the userbase correctly enters them without giving it another thought, it would be good to be able to put an end to these misleading threads.
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Quoting T!M:
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Definitely enter them! These absolutely are, without even so much as a shadow of a doubt, the re-recording mixers we're after. Of course, if you're just collecting data for the sake of collecting data, and you really don't care about who you enter, you could decide otherwise. But if you're remotely interested in accurate data in this crew segment, then they belong there.

They may be the re-recording mixers you are after, but they are not the re-recording mixers that are allowed by the rules.  Until they are, they can't be entered...at least not if you are following the rules.

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And for Ken: to you really should add "supervising sound mixer" to the crew chart. This job description is used more and more in recent films, and though luckily about 98% of the userbase correctly enters them without giving it another thought, it would be good to be able to put an end to these misleading threads.

I don't know where you get this 98% number, but it isn't correct...at least not in my experience.  Most of the contributions, I am re-auditing, don't include the supervising sound mixers.  Instead, they include the people that are credited as Sound Mixer.
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Until they are, they can't be entered...at least not if you are following the rules.

There are, as you well know, lots of things that can't be entered if you apply such a strict reading. "Original Material By" springs to mind, or "Song Writer". Yet, we all use them all the time. Heck: technically we weren't even allowed to enter "art directors" for years. But we all understood, and understand, how to deal with these obvious little shortcomings. This is no different - they really need to be entered. And luckily, they are being entered.

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I don't know where you get this 98% number, but it isn't correct...at least not in my experience.

From my own very, very extensive experience. Better yet: if you encounter a "supervising sound mixer" entry, check the CLT for that particular name and film title. Then you'll see that they're entered pretty consistently throughout the various regions and localities. And rightly so, of course: these are EXACTLY the people we're meant to track in that crew category.
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The OP asked a question.  Per the rules, which we are all supposed to follow, the answer is 'No'...and a 'strict reading of the rules' isn't even required to come to that answer.

Anything other than that is personal preference and opinion, which is fine, but I didn't answer based on that. 
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They cannot be entered under the current Rules any more than Supervising Producers!
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Anything other than that is personal preference and opinion, which is fine

Or, paraphrasing, it's tracking the people we're supposed to track, under the job they're doing.

These people are the re-recording mixers on this film. You may enjoy finding a loophole that you feel "allows" you to drop these valuable and valid credits, but they still are the re-recording mixers on this film. Again: I can see how people who just collect data for the sake of collecting don't care about this, but to those that actually care about this particular bit of data, your point of view is sheer lunacy. They are the re-recording mixers on this film, and they belong in the profile. Again, this is no different to how we deal with something like the "Original Material By" credit. By your reasoning, literally EVERY use of that credit would be "personal preference and opinion", wouldn't it? Yet most of do understand how to properly use it, yet like most of us know how to treat "supervising sound mixer" credits.

It's sad, really. If only people would be willing to spend as much effort on trying to get good and accurate data into the database, instead of merely trying to find ways to keep good data out...

Quoting hal9g:
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They cannot be entered under the current Rules any more than Supervising Producers!

Which, indeed, is a similar oversight.
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Does anyone else get hal and eagle mixed up when quickly skimming a thread?   
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Does anyone else get hal and eagle mixed up when quickly skimming a thread?   


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Agree with T!M
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Quoting T!M:
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Anything other than that is personal preference and opinion, which is fine

Or, paraphrasing, it's tracking the people we're supposed to track, under the job they're doing.

These people are the re-recording mixers on this film. You may enjoy finding a loophole that you feel "allows" you to drop these valuable and valid credits, but they still are the re-recording mixers on this film. Again: I can see how people who just collect data for the sake of collecting don't care about this, but to those that actually care about this particular bit of data, your point of view is sheer lunacy. They are the re-recording mixers on this film, and they belong in the profile. Again, this is no different to how we deal with something like the "Original Material By" credit. By your reasoning, literally EVERY use of that credit would be "personal preference and opinion", wouldn't it? Yet most of do understand how to properly use it, yet like most of us know how to treat "supervising sound mixer" credits.

I wonder why I don't get that same consideration when it comes to Studio data...

As to the rest, on a personal level I agree with you, but I am not speaking on a personal level.  The rules are quite clear.
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Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
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Whether rightly or wrongly they can not be entered at this time while following the rules.
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I agree with Unicus and Hal. They cannot - at this time - be entered.

T!M's personal preference should be ignored in this instance, as in many others... 
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