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| Registered: May 8, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,945 |
| | Posted: | | | | Hey folks, I am in a friendly PM argument with tweeter. It is regarding Music Video compilations. We got a Compilation which is NOT anamorph, but it contains fullscreen video clips AND widescreen videoclips. My understanding is that we tick fullscreen AND widescreen then. tweeter says it should only be fullscreen. I would like to have some opinions  cheers Donnie | | | | www.tvmaze.com |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,946 |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | I would also think that both should be selected. I didn't see any to tell us not to in the rules. And it would be more accurate if the feature(s) on the disc is some of both. Only problem that I really see here is what to do with the aspect ratio... as you can select only one. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 28, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,299 |
| | Posted: | | | | Not that it'd be the definitive resource, but what does the packaging say?
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You've got questions? You've got answers? Take the DVD Profiler Wiki for a spin. | | | | Last edited: by Astrakan |
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| Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,945 |
| | Posted: | | | | The package just says 4:3 which only means NON-Anamorphic. has nothing to do with Fullscreen or Widescreen. | | | | www.tvmaze.com |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,917 |
| | Posted: | | | | So, I think the question is: Do you take the aspect ratio of the entire video frame or of the photo data of the video (no letterbox/pillarbox)? |
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| Registered: June 12, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,665 |
| | Posted: | | | | My take on it is that even though some of the content may letterbox the basic presentation is Full Screen. There is no rational way to see all the content except Full Screen (you'd have to pause, then switch / zoom / stretch for each letterboxed video then revert for the Full Screen).
If it is both then for any Pan & Scan film where they letterbox the credits shouldn't both FS & WS boxes be checked. I'll bet we don't currently.
How about a Pan & Scan film where just a couple scenes are WS? | | | | Bad movie? You're soaking in it! |
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| Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,945 |
| | Posted: | | | | Well tweeter, according to you, eevry film that is NOT anamorph would be labeled FULLSCREEN, which is obviously very wrong and against the rules Why should we do it different with Music Videos ? In the beginning all DVDs were 4:3 but still they had various widescreen formats, they were just NOT anamorph. The tickbox "enhanced" is there for a reason cheers Donnie | | | | www.tvmaze.com | | | | Last edited: by DarklyNoon |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DarklyNoon: Quote:
My understanding is that we tick fullscreen AND widescreen I concur. We also do this when there are both a pan&scan/fullscreen and widescreen version of a film on the same disc. (And since the fullscreen aspect ratio is always 1.33:1, we enter the widescreen ratio in the aspect field.) | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 | | | | Last edited: by Nexus the Sixth |
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| Registered: May 18, 2007 |  Posts: 232 |
| | Posted: | | | | I'd use what the cover says in this case. As otherwice it could easily be interpreted as it contains both (you can choose). And what are putting in the apect ratio, with both selected? | | | | Last edited: by Gemini76 |
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| Registered: June 12, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,665 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DarklyNoon: Quote:
Well tweeter, according to you, eevry film that is NOT anamorph would be labeled FULLSCREEN, which is obviously very wrong and against the rules Not quite what i said. I said anything with Full Screen (or P&S) content should be marked that way. Content would be something you watch and not black/grey bars. If i see a Widescreen and a FF/PS box checked i expect to find two versions of the content, either menu selectable or on a separate disc platter which is not the case here (Shania Twain: The Platinum Collection: 008817025896). There is only one set of content here. Again, if we define it so this content is both FF and WS then every disc with similarly mixed content, be it a scene or just the credits is open to having both boxes selected. | | | | Bad movie? You're soaking in it! |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | Well, for cartoon collections, such as the Disney Treasures sets, we will tick both full screen and widescreen if there were some scope cartoons included. If I can select the videos individually and some of them are widescreen, I tick both boxes. The thinking here is that what we have is a collection of short films, rather than a feature-length re-edited compilation. In that sense, it's really no different than having two movies on the same side of the disc with different aspect ratios. The presence of a "Play All" button doesn't change that fact. Note, that this would be different than the aspect ratio morphing within a single show (credits). Of course, if this particular title isn't presented in this fashion, then none of this applies. | | | | Last edited: by mdnitoil |
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| Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,945 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting mdnitoil: Quote:
Well, for cartoon collections, such as the Disney Treasures sets, we will tick both full screen and widescreen if there were some scope cartoons included. If I can select the videos individually and some of them are widescreen, I tick both boxes. The thinking here is that what we have is a colleciton of short films, rather than a feature length re-edited compilation. In that sense, it's really no different than having two movies on the same side of the disc with different aspect ratios. The presense of a "Play All" button doesn't change that fact. Note, that this would be different than the aspect ratio morphing within a single show (credits).
Of course, if this particular title isn't presented in this fashion, then none of this applies. It is exactly like the examples you gave. Seperate Music videos in a different format, all selectible seperately | | | | www.tvmaze.com |
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| Registered: June 12, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,665 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting mdnitoil: Quote:
Well, for cartoon collections, such as the Disney Treasures sets, we will tick both full screen and widescreen if there were some scope cartoons included. If I can select the videos individually and some of them are widescreen, I tick both boxes. The thinking here is that what we have is a collection of short films, rather than a feature-length re-edited compilation. In that sense, it's really no different than having two movies on the same side of the disc with different aspect ratios. The presence of a "Play All" button doesn't change that fact. Note, that this would be different than the aspect ratio morphing within a single show (credits). I can accept this rationale. Now Donnie, about Shania's "roles"... | | | | Bad movie? You're soaking in it! | | | | Last edited: by tweeter |
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| Registered: June 21, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,621 |
| | Posted: | | | | For the BMW short films disc I have, some films were 1.85 and some 2.40, so I typed "various" into the ratio box. On my local it shows "vari : 1" for the aspect ratio. I'm pretty sure this was approved as I just clicked submit on that disc, and it said everything was the same. I can't recall if only my local shows this, or if it went through for everyone (maybe it didn't cuz it should be numbers and not letters?). Look it up, it's called "The Hire" but is only in by disc ID. Here's the ID: 092D-3C07-359C-CB2F |
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| Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 6,018 |
| | Posted: | | | | I have some DVDs with various video format material on them. What I do is tick both full-screen and widescreen, and - if possible, sometimes there's variation within the widescreen material as well - list the widescreen ratio in Aspect Ratio.
By doing it like this, the profile will correctly display both video formats that are in use.
And I also agree with mdnitoil's line of reasoning.
@ Gemini76: I would recommend you do NOT trust what's on the cover. All too often what the cover says is wrong. | | | | Last edited: by dee1959jay |
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