I doubt if this will help (with all due respect to all, I hasten to add), but I'll try anyway: we need a consensus on how to deal with "additional music by" credits. It's not at all uncommon: the opening credits contain a prominent "composer" credit, and somewhere in the end credits, there's an "additional music by" entry for someone else. What do we do with these? As I see it, we have three options:

- Enter them as 'composer'.
- Enter them as 'song writer'.
- Don't enter them at all.

I'd prefer the latter (don't enter them at all), but after facing a few no-votes on a contribution, I'm curious to see how others feel. I'm certainly not particularly keen on using 'composer', as this would make it look like two people jointly composed the film's score. That does not seem like an accurate reflection of the single "composer" credit in the opening credits, and looking at the credits table in the contribution rules, I really don't think the 'composer' credit is meant for this. And I can see how using 'song writer' will be problematic for those of you that remain adamant that to qualify for that, there should be "lyrics", which usually isn't the case with "additional music". So what do we do?

Edit: excuse me for the "qualifie" typo in one of the poll options - the ONE part of the post I can't edit... 

Quoting northbloke:

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You should have had a "sometimes" option as I've found that sometimes the "additional music" credit deserves a composer credit and sometimes it won't.
In one case I saw recently, a film with a song-heavy soundtrack also had an "additional music" credit for someone. In this situation this person had written all original music for the film and so in my opinion would get a composer credit.
However I'm sure there are other cases where an "additional music" credit would be for someone who had only written the odd sting or refrain with the bulk of the score written by someone else. In that case I would give no credit.

Actually, having just thought about it - I suppose you could say if "additional music" is the only credit given for original music then give a credit. But if the "additional music" credit accompanies a different music credit, then it doesn't. That make sense?

I can support this.

In the credits of Space: 1999 there is an "Associate" (Music) credit, but I wouldn't enter it either.

music by
Barry Gray

associate
Vic Elms


By the way, it seems that Elms couldn't even write music!

Quoting an Episode guide for Space: 1999, episode 'Rings around the Moon':

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Vic Elms was supposed to have prepared a score and conduct the orchestra. But Elms could not write music and did not know how to conduct. Instead he tried to demonstrate themes on his guitar. The orchestra refused to work with him, so (music arranger) Alan Willis had to take over, improvising some scores on the day.

http://www.space1999.net/~catacombs/main/epguide/t04ratm.html

Quoting skipnet50:

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Quoting RHo:

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Quoting northbloke:

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You should have had a "sometimes" option as I've found that sometimes the "additional music" credit deserves a composer credit and sometimes it won't.
In one case I saw recently, a film with a song-heavy soundtrack also had an "additional music" credit for someone. In this situation this person had written all original music for the film and so in my opinion would get a composer credit.
However I'm sure there are other cases where an "additional music" credit would be for someone who had only written the odd sting or refrain with the bulk of the score written by someone else. In that case I would give no credit.

Actually, having just thought about it - I suppose you could say if "additional music" is the only credit given for original music then give a credit. But if the "additional music" credit accompanies a different music credit, then it doesn't. That make sense?

I can support this.

I have to agree with Rho on this, Sometimes doesn't work at all, if you want to deal with it locally that is your business. How would you define SOMETIMES so that EVERY user would know the correct answer EVERYTIME. To paraphrase that great philosopher, Yoda, Is or is not, No sometimes.

Skip

Well, I'm happy that you agree with me.
But you should have read my comment more carefully.

If you can provide an explanation that the credited writers wrote additional music especially for a movie, they should be included as composers in our database.

Quoting Martin_Zuidervliet:

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If you can provide an explanation that the credited writers wrote additional music especially for a movie, they should be included as composers in our database.

That's what the "additional music by" credit means: providing further explanation isn't necessary - it is what it is. If you see such a credit in conjunction with a "music" or "composer" credit, then that in itself tells us that someone DID contribute some additional music to the movie, but was NOT the main composer of the score. And Skip is right: we can't use "composer" because we wouldn't have a way to distinguish between the two. If you did, it would look like the film's score was composed by both of them, and that really isn't a accurate reflection of that large "composer" credit in the opening credits for just one of them... It's not that the contributor of "additional music" didn't COMPOSE anything - he did, obviously - but he just cannot be mixed in with the actual composer(s) of the movie's score.

Additional music is part of the film score and the writers are composers not song writers.

Quoting hal9g:

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OPEN CREDITS.

Please not! I want a "director" entry no matter whether the actual credit is director, directed by, un film de, mis en scène, Regie, Regisseur etc.