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Edition field for child profiles
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DVD Profiler Unlimited Registrantnuoyaxin
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I have been wondering this for a while and thought I bring this up now; mainly as there is contributions for a series of DVD releases where one contributor removes the Edition from the child profiles for some sets while another one is adding them... (To be specific: The Legacy Collection of the Universal monster films.)

Some child profiles of some of these releases currently don't have the Edition and they are currently being added. The child profiles of other releases of the series have the Edition field right now and they are being removed.

So, in your opinion, in a Box Set which has an Edition label, should the child the child profiles of not-individually-packaged discs have the same Edition as the parent? (I think if the children are packaged separately, that cover will determine the Edition and leave no doubt...)

(This is my first poll, so please have mercy)
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A profile with a certain Disc ID could be belong to different Box Sets so I do not think this is a good idea.
Martin Zuidervliet

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I would say use it qualified. Its not covered by the rules specifically, but it is implied. However, I did notice something else that I am not going to go into. I will only say that there is a specific type of Contribution that is violating the Rules all over the place, but it is also something which I don't find at all problematic. I leave it to you to figure it out.


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I'm not a huge fan of edition fields for children as I see the information as redundant.  Besides, children tend to frequently get repackaged in different configurations where the edition may or may not carry over.  Leaving it blank makes the child record more flexible.  That's just my thought on the subject.
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Quoting skipnet50:
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I would say use it qualified. Its not covered by the rules specifically, but it is implied.

Could you be more specific? How to use it "qualified"? Where is it implied what to use for the Edition field of child profiles?

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However, I did notice something else that I am not going to go into. I will only say that there is a specific type of Contribution that is violating the Rules all over the place, but it is also something which I don't find at all problematic. I leave it to you to figure it out.

I know hwat you mean. I voted Neutral on those...
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"The title for a Box Set should be the title listed on the front cover, for example Alien Quadrilogy"
That could be interpreted to include the Edition.

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Sure, but this sentence doesn't apply to child profiles. It doesn't mention "Alien", "Aliens" etc.
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No it doesn't and you have hit on what I was referring to. 

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As the discs are not packaged seperately in this case adding "The Legacy Collection" to the Edition field makes it that much easier to locate if searching by title when Adding DVDs. I know it's irrelevant but the discs themselves are labeled "The Legacy Collection" as well.

Quoting Martin_Zuidervliet:
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A profile with a certain Disc ID could be belong to different Box Sets so I do not think this is a good idea.


It's highly unlikely that these particular Disc IDs will be used in other box sets due to their unique configuration.
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Quoting Martin_Zuidervliet:
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A profile with a certain Disc ID could be belong to different Box Sets so I do not think this is a good idea.

That's true. But since the rules ask us to use the parents cover for the children, we could as well use the parents edition.
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@ Skip:
OK then, initially I thought I was missing something... 
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Quoting RHo:
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Quoting Martin_Zuidervliet:
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A profile with a certain Disc ID could be belong to different Box Sets so I do not think this is a good idea.

That's true. But since the rules ask us to use the parents cover for the children, we could as well use the parents edition.

We could but that means we force other users to lock their titles if they have a different Box Set version (which is rare but not "highly unlikely", Max). Besides, I also think that names like "Collection" or "Box Set" are related to the parents only and not to their children.
Martin Zuidervliet

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Quoting 8ballMax:
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It's highly unlikely that these particular Disc IDs will be used in other box sets due to their unique configuration.


But it happens with "The Godfather"-Boxsets ( at least in R2 - Germany) where the Boxset gets renamed every once in a while and comes in slightly different packages (card games, slip cover in red, blue or black) each time with a new UPC/EAN, but the discs are always the same. So I think Martin and mdnitoil have a point there.
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I find that when the edition is printed on the cover, I use them, like in The Stanley Kubrick Collection. If not, I guess it depends on who added them... I'll just leave them alone and make any adjustments locally.
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My thoughts about this:
I did vote "No, do not fill the Edition field for the child profiles" because of the following:

(a) The Legacy Collection of the Universal monster films.
Or to be more precise "Classic Monster Collection" (3259190354692
) <=> "Frankenstein Legacy Collection" (5050582272666) those two do have the same Frankenstein Disc 7F67196F15968169
Maybe I am mistaken, I picked up my "Classic Monster Collection" pretty late, and the packaging may have changed, but since it should be "limited" it probably is still the same package and it does not contain 6 separate packings with their own UPC/EAN.

So which one would now be the correct Edition ?

(b) "Alien Quadrology" (4010232024565) <=> "Alien - Die Sage" (4010232033178) German Edition which does not have the bonus discs of the Quadrology, but otherwise it has the same DISC-IDs

This does even show another problem, that it would be even better in the case of Box Sets, to handle Bonus Disc totally separate. At the moment the profile of "Alien - Die Sage" has UPCs/EANs which are not really packaged. Because the Disc-IDs are already taken with (in this case incorrect) information.

So I have to say:
Quoting Martin_Zuidervliet:
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A profile with a certain Disc ID could be belong to different Box Sets so I do not think this is a good idea.

You are right.

Quoting 8ballMax:
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It's highly unlikely that these particular Disc IDs will be used in other box sets due to their unique configuration.

No, it is not unique. As long as you can make money out of it.

Quoting RHo:
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That's true. But since the rules ask us to use the parents cover for the children, we could as well use the parents edition.

I guess we need a new Rule saying exactly this and in that case it should also define that the first Editon needs to be taken in such a case. Boy a lot of locale adjustment is needed.
Or:
The Cover should be dummy blank one, because the correct cover is already in the parent profile. In this case it would be nice to have the possibility to create child profiles which could hold the cover of the individual packaging and they would then contain the DISC-IDs. But I am not sure if we should open this can of worms.
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Quoting 8ballMax:
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Quoting Martin_Zuidervliet:
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A profile with a certain Disc ID could be belong to different Box Sets so I do not think this is a good idea.


It's highly unlikely that these particular Disc IDs will be used in other box sets due to their unique configuration.

The Legacy Collection was merely what prompted me to open this thread, thinking this should be handled the same way at all times. You seem to say that "The Legacy Collection" is unique and is handled one way, other set may have to be handled another way.

While we can certainly go with a case-by-case solution, I would think it is better to have something common which will be handled consistently.
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