Welcome to the Invelos forums. Please read the forum rules before posting.

Read access to our public forums is open to everyone. To post messages, a free registration is required.

If you have an Invelos account, sign in to post.

    Invelos Forums->DVD Profiler: Contribution Discussion Page: 1 2  Previous   Next
For full frame DVD's, should the "aspect ratio" field be entered?
Author Message
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorT!M
Profiling since Dec. 2000
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
Netherlands Posts: 8,736
Posted:
PM this userDirect link to this postReply with quote
As part of a "wider update", I added the aspect ratio of 1:33:1 to a full-frame (TV show) profile. The aspect ratio box in the current profile was empty, although the "full frame" box had been checked. I got a no-vote of someone saying that it's "full frame so aspect not required". I do understand that "full frame" essentially is an indication of the 1.33:1 aspect ratio, but still, I don't see reason to leave the aspect ratio box empty, certainly not when 1.33:1 is one of the built-in choices. I've been entering the 1.33:1 aspect ratio for full frame DVD's for years now, and I believe most full frame profiles in the database do. Am I right or wrong?
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorNadja
Small and broken
Registered: March 13, 2007
United Kingdom Posts: 775
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
They should definitely be entered. In fact, this didn't use to be possible, if the full frame aspect was ticked but no aspect ratio was entered, that ratio couldn't be changed. Ken specifically enabled this, meaning that the aspect ratio is certainly intended to go in conjunction with the full frame checkbox.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorDaddy DVD
Lost in Translation
Registered: March 14, 2007
Netherlands Posts: 2,366
Posted:
PM this userDirect link to this postReply with quote
Sure, because the video could be formatted in 1.37:1 (Academy ratio) too and this also appears as full frame on a regular 4:3 TV set.
Martin Zuidervliet

DVD Profiler Nederlands
 Last edited: by Daddy DVD
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorAddicted2DVD
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
United States Posts: 17,334
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting Nadja:
Quote:
They should definitely be entered. In fact, this didn't use to be possible, if the full frame aspect was ticked but no aspect ratio was entered, that ratio couldn't be changed. Ken specifically enabled this, meaning that the aspect ratio is certainly intended to go in conjunction with the full frame checkbox.


I agree 100%
Pete
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile Registrantkdh1949
Have Gun Will Travel
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: High Rating
United States Posts: 2,394
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
It's been my experience that if you don't enter an aspect ration it defaults to ":1" which says nothing and looks silly.  But maybe I'm doing something wrong to get that ":1" display.
Another Ken (not Ken Cole)
Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges. I don't have to show you any stinking badges.
DVD Profiler user since June 15, 2001
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantMark Harrison
I like IMDB
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: Great Rating
United States Posts: 3,321
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userVisit this user's homepageView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
I planned to add some comments about why I think we should fill in the ratio drop-down, but I think the vote results make it clear enough.
Get the CSVExport and Database Query plug-ins here.
Create fake parent profiles to organize your collection.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
Don't be discommodious
Registered: March 13, 2007
United States Posts: 21,610
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
I was simply wondering why this is even a question, except that I know Tim likes to try to claim poll results are Rules.

Skip
ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here

Billy Video
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorTheMadMartian
Alien with an attitude
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
United States Posts: 13,202
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting skipnet50:
Quote:
your comment was unnecessary and inflammatory and added NOTHING to this discussion
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
Don't be discommodious
Registered: March 13, 2007
United States Posts: 21,610
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Sir, yes, sir.

Hand salute.

Skip
ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here

Billy Video
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorGSyren
Profiling since 2001
Registered: March 14, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
Sweden Posts: 4,681
Posted:
PM this userVisit this user's homepageView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
I have no problem with adding the ratio for full frame DVD's, but it makes me wonder... Do the Widescreen/Full Frame/P&S radio buttons really fulfill any useful function?

If we always enter the ratio, then we already know if it's widescreen or full frame. And in order to accurately state if something is P&S you would have to know the OAR, and as has been pointed out in other threads, it's often very difficult to establish the true OAR.

There are many DVDs out there that are very obviously P&S - and for those DVDs this is a very helpful information - but is it wise to collect information that is not verifiable for all DVDs? Shouldn't it at least be P&S/OAR/Undetermined?
My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
Gunnar
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorLJG
Registered: March 14, 2007
Reputation: High Rating
United States Posts: 950
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Gunnar, in my very uneducated about ratios opinion, I think the buttons are needed.  Not for the people who know what the ratios mean automatically, but for the people who just know that full frame means that it fills the screen and that widescreen has the black bars (yes, I do know that you lose a lot of the picture with P&S and personally prefer ws).  I know that this information is out there and have found it more than once, but I'll be honest.  I'd rather spend more time watching the dvd than remember what the ratios stand for...

I know that there are different ratios, but couldn't tell you which numbers mean what.  I'd say that most of the silent majority that use the program just want to be able to see at a quick glance what the movie is considered rather than having to figure out what the numbers mean.  I could see renaming some of the fields to better suit the numbers, if it's really that big of a problem telling the difference, but wouldn't want to lose that all together.  By having both ways, it (hopefully) makes the most people happy.  Those that want the actual ratio numbers can have them and those that just want to know the basics have that as well.
Lori
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar Contributorm.cellophane
tonight's the night...
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: High Rating
United States Posts: 3,480
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
The buttons are needed particularly when there are two presentations of the film on the disc in different aspect ratios. They drive the graphical representations of the screen ratios that are shown when not in edit mode. Also P&S 1.33:1 is an entirely different beast than FF 1.33:1.
...James

"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorT!M
Profiling since Dec. 2000
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: Highest Rating
Netherlands Posts: 8,736
Posted:
PM this userDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting skipnet50:
Quote:
I was simply wondering why this is even a question, except that I know Tim likes to try to claim poll results are Rules.

Skip

Why do you feel the need to post something like this? Seriously, I wonder. I made a contribution, I got a 'no'-vote, I exchanged PM's with that particular user, the suggestion was made to make a forum thread about this, and so I did. Nothing more, nothing less. Yes, I was convinced I was right before I even came here, but my word wasn't enough to convince the other user. This poll was, so our problem is now solved. Do you feel there's anything wrong with this? Should I have handled things differently? If so, I'd sure like to know how, and I'm amazed to see that you're grabbing this opportunity to take another cheap shot at me.

Edit: also, I have never EVER claimed poll results equal rules. Better yet: I have often stated the exact opposite. I would appreciate you not spreading lies about me, thank you very much.
 Last edited: by T!M
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
Don't be discommodious
Registered: March 13, 2007
United States Posts: 21,610
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Tim:

I don't think a poll was necessary. You have tried to cite polls as if they had some relevancy, Tim, which is the equivalent of trying to turn them into Rule by fiat.

As you have seen this turned out to not be a simple Yes or No question. I too, merely wondered, why does Tim feel a need to Poll on every question he has.

Skip
ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here

Billy Video
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorNexus the Sixth
Contributor since 2002
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: High Rating
Sweden Posts: 3,197
Posted:
PM this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quote:
Skip this poll and view results


Skip sees his name in every poll, that's why he's always responding.
First registered: February 15, 2002
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar Contributorhal9g
Who is John Galt?
Registered: March 13, 2007
Reputation: High Rating
United States Posts: 6,635
Posted:
PM this userEmail this userView this user's DVD collectionDirect link to this postReply with quote
Quoting m.cellophane:
Quote:
The buttons are needed particularly when there are two presentations of the film on the disc in different aspect ratios. They drive the graphical representations of the screen ratios that are shown when not in edit mode. Also P&S 1.33:1 is an entirely different beast than FF 1.33:1.


Good point James.

I think the ratio should be entered 100% of the time.
Hal
    Invelos Forums->DVD Profiler: Contribution Discussion Page: 1 2  Previous   Next