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| Registered: June 2, 2008 |  Posts: 39 |
| | Posted: | | | | Someone submitted an updated to change the title of "John Wick: Chapter 3 - Parabellum" to "John Wick: Chapter 3: Parabellum (A second colon in place of the dash). I've noticed many other releases already in the database use the 2 colon approach however the title in the credits on the back of the box artwork reads "John Wick: Chapter 3 - Parabellum" with a dash and all major film websites use the dash in place of the second colon.
I also hold a masters degree in History and in my education for referencing resources we were always instructed to list titles of papers and books with the "colon then dash" approach. Does Invelos have a rule that a second colon must be used that I am unaware of? Thanks! | | | | Never judge a movie by its sequel or remake |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,749 |
| | Posted: | | | | I have mine that way "John Wick: Chapter 3 – Parabellum" and locked. I didn't want any grief about it. | | | | Marty - Registered July 10, 2004, User since 2002. |
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| Registered: March 24, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,230 |
| | Posted: | | | | I have the UK one and there is no title in the overview. It's in the database as John Wick: Chapter 3: Parabellum and I'm happy with that.
That said, the BBFC, Wikipedia, the IMDb, and Rotten Tomatoes have the title as John Wick: Chapter 3 - Parabellum but I don't care enough to change it and wouldn't argue strongly if someone tried to change it to match that. | | | | Last edited: by Nosferatu |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,715 |
| | Posted: | | | | Once upon a time it was discussed how to seperate different parts of the title - colon or dash. The outcome was a colon. What if there are more than one separator needed, was not a subject. But for consistency I think all separators should be the same character, colon in our case.
Can anyone find the thread about this issue? | | | | Complete list of Common Names • A good point for starting with Headshots (and v11.1) | | | | Last edited: by AiAustria |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Even for multiple seperators it is covered in the rules... Quote:
Episode descriptors are part of the title; separate them with a colon and space; e.g. "Star Trek III: The Search for Spock". For multiple descriptors, use a colon and space for each break. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: October 22, 2015 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 275 |
| | Posted: | | | | Cover Title: John Wick: Chapter 3: Parabellum
Original Title: John Wick: Chapter 3 - Parabellum
Isn't that the correct way? |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,715 |
| | Posted: | | | | No. standardization is even more important for the original title. | | | | Complete list of Common Names • A good point for starting with Headshots (and v11.1) |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 6,745 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting AiAustria: Quote:
No. standardization is even more important for the original title. Especially since there's no dash inthe onscreen title either  | | | Karsten
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,749 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
Even for multiple seperators it is covered in the rules...
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Episode descriptors are part of the title; separate them with a colon and space; e.g. "Star Trek III: The Search for Spock". For multiple descriptors, use a colon and space for each break. I did not realize it was covered in the rules. I'm going to change mine and unlock them. | | | | Marty - Registered July 10, 2004, User since 2002. |
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| Registered: June 2, 2008 | | Posts: 39 |
| | Posted: | | | | Thanks for the responses! | | | | Never judge a movie by its sequel or remake |
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| Registered: October 22, 2015 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 275 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting AiAustria: Quote:
No. standardization is even more important for the original title. By standardization, do you mean the rules applicable to the title appearing on the front cover are also applicable to original title? In which case, the original title "John Wick: Chapter 3 - Parabellum" is standardized because the credit block on the back cover includes the hyphen in the title, as per rules. |
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| Registered: October 22, 2015 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 275 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DJ Doena: Quote:
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No. standardization is even more important for the original title.
Especially since there's no dash inthe onscreen title either
Wasn't the country of origin the United States? So, for my locality (Australia), the Original Title rule states to use the original release title, not the screen credit (which is just a stylized representation of the original title). The official John Wick twitter site announced the original release title on 16 Jan, 2019 for the May 17 release in the United States. The following web link confirmed this: https://screenrant.com/john-wick-3-title-parabellum-poster/ When I check the US film classification web site, the film rating was applied to the original title "John Wick: Chapter 3 - Parabellum" as follows: https://www.filmratings.com/Search?filmTitle=john+wick&x=0&y=0 Even LIONSGATE, the US theatrical/medial distributor, refers to the original title "John Wick: Chapter 3 - Parabellum": http://investors.lionsgate.com/press-releases-and-events/press-releases/2019/09-18-2019-162957015 Original title is unique. Removing the hyphen from the original title is invalid because the credit block on the back cover displays the original title with the hyphen, as per rules. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,745 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ObiKen: Quote:
Wasn't the country of origin the United States?
So, for my locality (Australia), the Original Title rule states to use the original release title, not the screen credit (which is just a stylized representation of the original title). The whole purpose of the OT is to uniquely identify a movie in the database. Fo this purpose it makes no sense to have one rule for the OT in the country that the movie was made and another rule for not the country the movie was made. For the country the movie was made the rules state Quote:
For profiles which have an alternate title displayed on the cover, use the title from the film's credits
Which means that the onscreen title in the country of origin is the OT we are looking for and which this part of the movie is then subsequently referring to: Quote:
For titles released outside their country of origin, use the original release title
Because by your logic this movie would have different original titles depending on where you bought the DVD - which makes no sense. | | | Karsten
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| Registered: October 22, 2015 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 275 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DJ Doena: Quote:
Because by your logic this movie would have different original titles depending on where you bought the DVD - which makes no sense. The outcomes are a result of the rules, not my logic. Unfortunately, for titles in their Country of Origin, the OT may vary because the rule "use the title from the film's credits" is either open to subjective format interpretation or the print may display an alternate title. For localities outside the title's Country of Origin, there can only be one original release title based on the OT rule ("use the original release title"). There is no subjective interpretation involved. |
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| Registered: October 4, 2008 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 330 |
| | Posted: | | | | As an off-shoot of this question, do films like Back to the Future Part II and The Godfather Part II need colons? The term "Episode descriptors" is a little vague. I would consider it only applies in something like the example given in the rules: "Star Trek III: The Search for Spock" - not when it is just assigned a number to the film. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,745 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ObiKen: Quote:
Quoting DJ Doena:
For localities outside the title's Country of Origin, there can only be one original release title based on the OT rule ("use the original release title"). There is no subjective interpretation involved. Yes there is. You subjectively interpret "use the original release title" as "The official John Wick twitter site announced the original release title" instead of "use the title from the film's credits". Please remember the master rule of DVD Profiler: Quote:
The authoritative source for information submitted should be the DVD itself. Please don't submit content from a third party database, and always verify the specifications printed on the cover. In both cases, errors abound, so always verify the information directly from the DVD whenever possible.
I.e. for the purposes of profiling, the DVD beats some tweet even on an official account. That's why we profile FRANCOIS as Francois and not as François even though every frenchman will recoil in pain. | | | Karsten
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