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Taken 2 - Stéphane Bucher / Sébastien Inizan
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorGreyHulk
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Trying to audit the Liam Neeson film "Taken 2" and I have come across this problem.

The sound person "Stéphane Bucher" and the Production Designer "Sébastien Inizan" are both credited in the opening credits and, again, in the closing credits. They are credited without the accents in the opening, but WITH the accents during the closing credits.

Which do I enter as the "credited as"?!

Opening credits...




Both in the closing credits...
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When I was taught French at school, we were told that capital letters shouldn't have accents as they only belonged on lowercase letters.

Although I don't know if that is true today (or even how valid it was then), it would explain why the opening credits do not have accented characters but the end credits do.

Does that help?
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From the rules:
"For the purposes of this section we define "standard" film credits as those where all credited actors involved are listed at the end of the film - defined here as the "end credits". The section details both the actor’s Name and the Role that they played in the film. The credits may be listed "in order of appearance", "alphabetical order" or in an order of importance decided by the filmmakers. Some actors may be credited a second time in either credits at either the opening or close of the film.

For any film with standard credits, take the actor information from the end credits only, with names and roles listed exactly as they are in the credits and in exactly the same order credited.  Exception: If the credit information is entirely capitalized, use standard capitalization rules instead."

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Quoting Nosferatu:
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When I was taught French at school, we were told that capital letters shouldn't have accents as they only belonged on lowercase letters.

Although I don't know if that is true today (or even how valid it was then), it would explain why the opening credits do not have accented characters but the end credits do.

Does that help?

Ken Cole actually spoke out on this (from the pinned "Collected Statements from Invelos on contribution discussions"-thread):

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If the character used in the all-caps name is "É", convert it to "é" as needed to create mixed case.  If the character used in all-caps is "E", convert it to "e" as needed to create mixed case.

Of course, that doesn't help in this particular case, as the credits actually show both versions. But at least it gives us a a generic approach for most "standard" credits.

Quoting Kluge:
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For any film with standard credits, take the actor information from the end credits only, with names and roles listed exactly as they are in the credits and in exactly the same order credited.

The problem is that that particular section of the rules is directed specifically at cast, not crew. The main crew members are usually taken from the opening credits, with additional (less important) crew added from the end credits. This film - and many other French movies, I might add - is somewhat "unique" in that it lists the same crew members, for the same jobs, twice, both in the opening credits and in the end credits.

All in all, faced with this specific example, I would personally tend to go with the way the names are written in the opening credits.
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Because the end credits are more detailed and use standard capitalisation, I'd use them rather than the opening credits.
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