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Technical Contribution Problem / Common Names
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorMagmadrag
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Different parsing one more becomes a crazy thing:

according to the common name thread
http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=749141&PageNum=LAST#LASTPOST

now the common name is "J.D. - Evermore". I've changed all profiles containing "J. - D. - Evermore" but as long as this is the only change, the site tells me "no differences detected".

Any technical solution available for this?
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorT!M
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For DVD Profiler purposes, J.D. and J./D. are the same - they're both stored in the database as J./D./Evermore. You are able to enter the variant without the space into the "credited as" field, but as far as the actual name fields are concerned, those names are always, automatically stored in the J./D./Evermore format, no matter how they're entered. What you're perceiving as a change, is no change for DVD Profiler itself: the name was always stored in the DVD Profiler database as J./D./Evermore, and it still is. "No differences detected" indeed.

This forum thread hashed it all out.
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the name was always stored in the DVD Profiler database as J./D./Evermore, and it still is. "No differences detected" indeed.
This forum thread hashed it all out.


Then I can't avoid to ask: Why is there any discussion about common names? For sure, there is the alternative "JD Evermore".

And additionally: If this doesn't matter for the database, in other cases it is absolutely against logic: "middle name" is the field for the (2nd christian) name. But it makes a huge difference, if it is a 2nd christian name or the first part of the name! Anyhow the online database should have the identical parsing to the local one on every computer. Just today I had a case to ask a Screener for manual parsing: "Roger - Lloyd - Pack" is wrongly parsed; as he is the son of "Charles Lloyd Pack", "Loyd" is not middle name; so correctl now it is "Roger - Lloyd Pack"

And as long as the site/database here doesn't see different parsings, it's always (imo unneccessary) manual work for the Screeners. Isn't it?
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Anyhow the online database should have the identical parsing to the local one on every computer.

That's how it was originally, but after endless ping-ponging, Invelos backed away from that. So that's how we arrived at how parsing is currently handled.

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it's always (imo unneccessary) manual work for the Screeners. Isn't it?

It's not, no. Where DVD Profiler is set up to ignore such differences, that actually means less work for the screeners. Your own experience actually illustrates that: you tried to contribute a change that Invelos doesn't actually see as a change, in which case you've found that the contribution simply cannot be made. How can fewer contributions be more work for the screeners?
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For sure it's not fewer contributions, but it's less work for the Screeners if they don't need to correct wrong parsing manually.

And sorry to say: A software of that size should recognize if the two words are in the same field or in different ones! It's the same with artist names like "Mos - Def" / "Mos Def"

Btw: Altough the site doesn't "see" the difference, we have different version (like "Mos Def" as one name or two names) in the database. And as always (not depending on common names but also on correct names like the "Roger - Lloyd Pack" I mentioned before) me and a huge load of guys try correct errors in the database, changes "wrong" ("incommon") version(s) of names to the common names etc.

I can't believe your former post, that "J.D." and "J./D." are the same in the online database at least for one reason: If I changed from "J./D." to "J.D." and check out updates (before cintribution), I get one: The change back from "J.D." to "J./D.". So the database is correct ans definitely has two versions. Only the contribution-section of the site has that disfunction!
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it's less work for the Screeners if they don't need to correct wrong parsing manually.

No such process exists. A contribution to a particular profile is only accepted or declined in it's entirety (images excluded). At no point does a contribution lead a screener to manually "correct" the parsing of anyone's name in the DVD Profiler database - there really isn't even such a thing as a "master" name list. The parsing of a cast/crew member's name is stored in each profile that he or she appears in, but there's no master list. The same person's name may be parsed differently in another profile. There's no way to fix that througout the entire database in one fell swoop. However the name's parsed in your profile when you contribute the cast/crew - if that contribution is approved, then that's how it stored in that profile. If the next contributor has it parsed another way, and he gets a cast/crew update approved, then *that's* the parsing that will be stored in the profile, and so on. None of those parsing changes will ever affect/overwrite anyone's parsing in their local database.

Inititals are tricker: again, an Invelos autofilter ensures that both J.D. and J./D. (but not JD) are stored in exactly the same way. Only the "credited as" value can be changed, but the form of J.D.//Evermore cannot ever be stored at DVD Profiler's end. "J. D. Evermore, credited as J.D. Evermore", that's possible, and if you submit J.D.//Evermore, that's what Invelos automatically turns it into. That can't be circumvented.
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we have different version (like "Mos Def" as one name or two names) in the database

Yes, because, again, there's no "master" entry for Mos Def that you can fix, but he's stored separately in each and every profile for each and every one of his appearances. I agree that it's a stage name and as such belongs entirely in the first name field, but there's no way to fix that with one controbution. If you wanted to fix that database-wide, you'd have to check each of the 537 profiles he appears in one by one, and fix the ones where it's parsed wrong. And even of you felt like doing that, it wouldn't be easy, as Invelos has deliberately eliminated the difference from showing up on the contribution and evaluation screens - leading to that "no differences detected" message that you mentioned earlier. So you can really only change Mos Def's parsing in a particular profile by making another change in the cast section. And even then, it's not impossible that a future contributor changes it right back, unknowingly even.

All in all: just parse the names correctly in your database, submit it how you deem it "right", and then just forget about it. The system is deliberately set up to not bother you with changes. Once you have Mos Def listed in the first name field entirely in your local database, as it should be, it won't ever be overwritten with Mos///Def.
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